In this special episode of With Interest, CPA Australia CEO Chris Freeland sits down with Australia's Auditor General, Dr Caralee McLiesh, for an exclusive fireside chat on public sector challenges.&nbsp; The conversation builds on Dr McLiesh's keynote address on performance management in the Commonwealth public sector, drawing on insights from the Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) annual report, released in September 2025.&nbsp; The discussion took place following a roundtable lunch in Canberra on 5 August 2025, where CPA Australia convened senior public sector leaders to hear Dr McLiesh's keynote before she joined Chris Freeland to expand on the key themes.&nbsp; Listen now.&nbsp; Speakers: Dr Caralee McLiesh, Auditor-General of Australia&nbsp;and Chris Freeland, CEO, CPA Australia. You can listen to the&nbsp;<a href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/accounting-issues/assessing-public-sector-performance-management">keynote speech</a> <a href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/accounting-issues/assessing-public-sector-performance-management"> from the roundtable in full by Australia's</a> <a href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/accounting-issues/assessing-public-sector-performance-management"> </a><a href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/accounting-issues/assessing-public-sector-performance-management">Auditor-General, Dr Caralee McLiesh</a>. For more information about the <a class="Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "https://www.anao.gov.au/" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">Australian National Audit Office (ANAO) head to its website.</a>&nbsp; And you can learn more about <a class="Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "https://www.pmc.gov.au/news/statement-secretary-appointment-auditor-general" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Dr Caralee McLiesh's career from this PMC statement following her announcement as Australia's auditor general in 2024.</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; Listen to more With Interest episodes and <a class="Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "https://www.youtube.com/@CPAaustralia/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">other CPA Australia podcasts on YouTube.</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; CPA Australia <a class="Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">publishes four podcasts</a>, providing commentary and thought leadership across business, finance, and accounting: <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/with-interest" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">With Interest</a>&nbsp; <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/intheblack" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">INTHEBLACK</a>&nbsp;&nbsp; <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/intheblack-outloud" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">INTHEBLACK Out Loud</a>&nbsp; <a class= "Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "https://www.cpaaustralia.com.au/tools-and-resources/podcasts/intheblack" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">Excel Tips</a>&nbsp; Search for them in your podcast platform.&nbsp;&nbsp; Email the podcast team at <a class="Hyperlink SCXW137456706 BCX0" href= "mailto:podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au" target="_blank" rel= "noreferrer noopener">podcasts@cpaaustralia.com.au</a>

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