Starting our year with a little optimism, author/former US Attorney Joyce Vance joins us from Birmingham to break down how we can keep our democracy from breaking down. And how can we build a better society without building awesome stuff? Like IM Pei did. And he happens to be the subject of Bonnie and Toni’s Oral Report!

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