In Episode 162 of Cybersecurity Where You Are, Tony Sager sits down with <a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/tcwk">Tina Williams-Koroma</a>, Founder and CEO of <a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.tcecure.com/">TCecure, LLC</a> and <a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.cydeploy.com/">CyDeploy, Inc</a>. Together, they discuss why "cyber insecurity is not inevitable" and how organizations can take a managed approach to attack surface management.Along the way, Tina shares her journey from software development to cybersecurity entrepreneurship and explains why proactive measures like hardening systems and automating patching are critical for reducing risk. Here are some highlights from our episode:<ul><li>00:50. Introductions to Tina, her career pivot, and her entrepreneurial path</li><li>03:35. The value of the secure configuration guidance provided by the <a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.cisecurity.org/cis-benchmarks?utm_source=wistia&utm_campaign=cis&utm_medium=audio&utm_term=theme_tl&utm_content=2025-cis-podcast_162-wistia-lp_view">CIS Benchmarks®</a></li><li>07:35. Why a well managed system makes for a hard target</li><li>11:00. Marketing against “magic” in a hype-driven cybersecurity market</li><li>13:44. The translative work of moving well-managed infrastructure beyond "mere hygiene"</li><li>19:14. Tina's faith-based inspiration for helping others get as far as she's gotten</li><li>27:23. Soccer analogies for a managed attack surface</li><li>33:54. Tina's pep talk: "Why cyber insecurity is not inevitable"</li><li>38:38. Free cybersecurity resources for small businesses</li></ul>Resources<ul><li><a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.cisecurity.org/cybersecurity-tools/mapping-compliance/mapping-and-compliance-with-the-cis-benchmarks?utm_source=wistia&utm_campaign=benchmarks&utm_medium=audio&utm_term=theme_csm&utm_content=2025-benchmarks-podcast_162-wistia-lp_view">Mapping and Compliance with the CIS Benchmarks</a></li><li><a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.cisecurity.org/insights/white-papers/guide-to-asset-classes-cis-critical-security-controls-v8-1?utm_source=wistia&utm_campaign=controls&utm_medium=audio&utm_term=theme_rcs&utm_content=2025-controls-podcast_162-wistia-controls_dl">Guide to Asset Classes: CIS Critical Security Controls v8.1</a></li><li><a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.gartner.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2025-09-18-gartner-says-that-in-the-age-of-genai-preemptive-capabilities-not-detection-and-response-are-the-future-of-cybersecurity">Gartner Says That in the Age of GenAI, Preemptive Capabilities, Not Detection and Response, Are the Future of Cybersecurity</a></li><li><a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.cisecurity.org/insights/white-papers/cis-community-defense-model-2-0?utm_source=wistia&utm_campaign=controls&utm_medium=audio&utm_term=theme_rcs&utm_content=2025-controls-podcast_162-wistia-controls_dl">CIS Community Defense Model 2.0</a></li><li><a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="https://www.cydeploy.com/owlthis">OwlThis — Powered By CyDeploy</a></li></ul>If you have some feedback or an idea for an upcoming episode of Cybersecurity Where You Are, let us know by emailing&nbsp;<a rel="noreferrer noopener" target="_blank" href="mailto:podcast@cisecurity.org">podcast@cisecurity.org</a>.

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