We’re joined by U.S. Air Force veteran Christopher Bartel, a former employee of both Area 51 and Skinwalker Ranch, for a candid look behind the curtain of two of the world's most enigmatic locations. After eight years with Robert Bigelow's BAASS, including six stationed at Skinwalker Ranch, Bartel recounts the extraordinary events he witnessed, the Native American history he documented through his acclaimed Skinwalker Ranch Series photographs, and his unfiltered assessment of the investigations conducted there. He also confronts one of the ranch's most controversial claims: were he and his colleagues unknowingly used as human test subjects to measure the ranch's physical effects? It's a revealing conversation with someone who lived the mystery from the inside.

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