This week: Fed governor Lisa Cook is suing the Trump administration over her dismissal. <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:zxqezqfhjwidbrsvk66ded57">Felix Salmon</a>, <a href="https://www.elizabethspiers.com/">Elizabeth Spiers</a>, and <a href="https://www.axios.com/authors/epeck">Emily Peck</a>, along with guest <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/by/kashmir-hill">Kashmir Hill</a> of The New York Times, discuss the weak fraud case being used to oust the Biden-appointed Fed governor and its significance in the fight to preserve the independence of the Federal Reserve. Then, Kashmir goes in depth on the many stories she’s reported on lately of people forming <a href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1m-4Q2SxtL1TAghbZJVGMDiGPYS6tny3bJdkzulmnMzQ/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.lm9q3b2zuwmc">intense relationships</a> with AI chatbots that lead to <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/26/technology/chatgpt-openai-suicide.html">dire consequences </a>including <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/13/technology/chatgpt-ai-chatbots-conspiracies.html">psychosis</a> and death. She and the hosts discuss the role of this new technology in our society, the unknowable consequences of its unchecked ubiquity, and what can be done to protect users from potential dangers.
From the Numbers Round: <a href="https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1022931-lemon-ricotta-pancakes">Emily’s Birthday Pancakes</a>
PLEASE NOTE: There is discussion of suicide in this episode. If you are in need of help, 988 is the three-digit, nationwide phone number to connect directly to the <a href="https://988lifeline.org/">Suicide & Crisis Lifeline</a>. Text, call, or chat 988.

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