Things we talked about:<ul><li>The way multi-faceted careers can feel piecemeal (especially if parenting is added into the mix), or “like I’m doing five different jobs at once”</li><li>Factoring in time to play as well as work</li><li>Exploring your home town like a holiday destination</li><li>Taking things home from real holidays that you might not expect (like appreciating the simple things, family meals, all your possessions in one suitcase)</li><li>Avoiding habits of consuming everything and creating nothing</li><li>Making connections on Twitter (Lisa says, “I engage with people because I love it”)</li><li>Pondering the idea that the Internet means we don’t get bored any more, and what that means</li><li>On making things happen (Lisa was waiting for a radio job offer but it didn’t come, so she started a podcast)</li><li>“People say you’re brave putting yourself out there, but I’m more afraid of not doing it”</li><li>The importance of perseverance, and regularly doing the thing you fear (until you don’t fear it any more)</li><li>We had a frank conversation about money. Despite living an outwardly glamorous life, Lisa says, “I don’t earn enough”</li><li>Becoming an “accidental landlady”: her unexpected foray into property investment to build financial security</li><li>We talked about the way women often hide our realities, keeping everything from messy kitchens to miscarriage behind closed doors</li><li>Everything has to start with just two views. Even the most viral video of all time had only two views at some point.</li><li>And finally, the possibly-surprising-but-then-probably-not location that Lisa chose when I asked her about her favourite place in the whole world</li></ul>Where to find Lisa:<ul><li>On Twitter she's <a href="https://twitter.com/lfnand">@lfnand</a></li><li>On Instagram she's <a href="https://www.instagram.com/lisafrancesca_nand/">@lisafrancesca_nand</a> and <a href="https://www.instagram.com/thebigtravelpodcast/">@thebigtravelpodcast</a></li><li>Her podcast: <a href="https://thebigtravelpodcast.com/">The Big Travel Podcast</a></li></ul>The meditation app Sara mentioned:<ul><li><a href="https://www.wakingup.com/">Waking Up</a></li></ul>Where to find Sara:<ul><li>Sara on <a href="https://substack.com/profile/14789760-sara-tasker">Substack</a></li><li>Sara’s website: <a href="https://meandorla.co.uk/" target="_blank">meandorla.co.uk</a></li><li>Sara's charity <a href="https://meandorla.co.uk/shop/shop/me-orla-christmas-cards">Christmas cards</a></li><li>Me and Orla <a href="https://meandorlashop.co.uk/product/me-orla-2023-calendar/">2023 Calendar</a></li><li>Sara on Instagram: <a href="https://www.instagram.com/me_and_orla/" target="_blank">@me_and_orla</a></li><li>Sara on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/meandorla" target="_blank">@meandorla</a></li><li><a href="https://meandorla.co.uk/one-to-one-coaching">One to one business coaching with Sara</a></li><li><a href="https://meandorla.co.uk/the-insta-retreat-2-0" target="_blank">The Insta Retreat</a></li></ul>

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