Meet the Irish immigrant who used fireplace tongs to fight a member of Congress, was thrown in jail for insulting a president, and ultimately changed the course of American history.

Plus, Sharon talks with powerful Democratic Congressman James Clyburn in a wide-ranging conversation that touches on the drama currently happening in the House, his life growing up as a Black child in the south, and why people of color need something other than equality. They discuss his new book, <a href="https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-first-eight-a-personal-history-of-the-pioneering-black-congressmen-who-shaped-a-nation-jim-clyburn/e5460bc3af401041">The First Eight</a>, on the eight Black Congressmen who came before him and the gripping parallels between post-Civil War America and today. It’s an interview that’s equal parts history lesson, warning, and inspiration — and even touches on Clyburn’s personal relationship with one of Sharon’s favorite historical figures: Septima Clark. 

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Host and Executive Producer: Sharon McMahon
Supervising Producer: Melanie Buck Parks
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