This week, Grace speaks to Ruth Wilson Gilmore, prison abolitionist, scholar, and professor of geography at the City University of New York. She is the author of several books, including <a href="https://www.ucpress.edu/book/9780520242012/golden-gulag">Golden Gulag: Prisons, Surplus, Crisis, and Opposition in Globalizing California</a> and, most recently, <a href="https://www.versobooks.com/books/3785-abolition-geography">Abolition Geography: Essays Toward Liberation</a>. They discuss who is profiting from the criminal justice system, how existing institutions within the system serve to support and reinforce capitalist social relations, and what a socialist conception of justice looks like.You can support our work on the show by becoming a <a href="https://www.patreon.com/Aworldtowinpod">patron</a>. Thanks to our producer Conor Gillies and to the Lipman-Miliband Trust for making this episode possible.

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