What does it mean to be "woke"? It's become a catchall term to smear or dismiss anything that has any vague association with progressive politics. As a result, anytime you venture into an argument about “wokeness,” it becomes hopelessly entangled in a broader cultural battle. Today’s guest, journalist and professor Musa al-Gharbi, helps us untangle "wokeness" from its fraught political context. The author of a new book, We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of a New Elite, al-Gharbi explains what effects the movement is and isn’t having on our society.Host: Sean Illing (<a href="https://x.com/seanilling">@SeanIlling</a>), host, The Gray AreaGuest: Musa al-Gharbi (<a href="https://x.com/Musa_alGharbi">@Musa_alGharbi</a>), author, <a href="https://press.princeton.edu/books/hardcover/9780691232607/we-have-never-been-woke?srsltid=AfmBOopV2ujS7wqUBCDFRbC1wAr1A_EYzt6GypFX97INtRi5LpfjbQE0">We Have Never Been Woke: The Cultural Contradictions of a New Elite</a>, Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices">podcastchoices.com/adchoices</a>

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