Recorded live at All Things Open, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf talk with Angie Jones about AI, coding models, and the evolving landscape of open source. They unpack the importance of community-driven tooling, skill gaps in using AI, the future of agentic systems, and why open communities matter in shaping technology.
In this episode:
<ul>
<li>(00:00) - Intro</li>
<li>(01:18) - Wine rating & review</li>
<li>(03:30) - Hot Take: Claude vs ChatGPT</li>
<li>(04:20) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language?</li>
<li>(04:56) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language?</li>
<li>(05:31) - Hot Take: Is AI to blame when people do dumb shit with it?</li>
<li>(09:50) - How open source shaped Angie&rsquo;s career</li>
<li>(14:54) - The problem with AI training on open source data</li>
<li>(23:02) - What is MCP and why does it matter?</li>
<li>(25:10) - Using MCP when you don&rsquo;t follow every part of the spec</li>
<li>(26:25) - Are we building new walled gardens inside MCP?</li>
<li>(31:16) - Building DevRel in a rapidly-changing AI landscape</li>
<li>(36:06) - Conference season stress & preparing new talks</li>
<li>(39:41) - Where to find Angie online</li>
</ul>
Links
<ul>
<li>Ep 175: Decentralized Identity: The Future of Privacy and Security with Angie Jones:&nbsp;<a href="https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones">https://whiskey.fm/decentralized-identity-the-future-of-privacy-and-security-with-angie-jones</a></li>
<li>Block:&nbsp;<a href="https://block.xyz/">https://block.xyz/</a></li>
<li>MCP:&nbsp;<a href="https://modelcontextprotocol.io/">https://modelcontextprotocol.io/</a></li>
<li>Claude:&nbsp;<a href="https://claude.ai/">https://claude.ai</a></li>
<li>ChatGPT:&nbsp;<a href="https://chatgpt.com/">https://chatgpt.com/</a></li>
<li>HTML:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.w3schools.com/html/">https://www.w3schools.com/html/</a></li>
<li>CSS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/">https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/</a></li>
<li>All Things Open:&nbsp;<a href="https://allthingsopen.org/">https://allthingsopen.org/</a></li>
<li>Microsoft:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.microsoft.com/">https://www.microsoft.com/</a></li>
<li>GitHub:&nbsp;<a href="https://github.com/">https://github.com/</a></li>
<li>NPM:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.npmjs.com/">https://www.npmjs.com/</a></li>
<li>GooseAI:&nbsp;<a href="https://goose.ai/">https://goose.ai/</a></li>
<li>Sam Altman:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/sama">https://x.com/sama</a></li>
<li>Peter Thiel:&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Thiel</a></li>
<li>Marc Andreessen:&nbsp;<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Andreessen</a></li>
<li>Anthropic:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.anthropic.com/">https://www.anthropic.com/</a></li>
<li>Ember:&nbsp;<a href="https://emberjs.com/">https://emberjs.com/</a></li>
<li>YouTube:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/">https://www.youtube.com</a></li>
<li>Kent C. Dodds:&nbsp;<a href="https://kentcdodds.com/">https://kentcdodds.com/</a></li>
<li>Chrome:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.google.com/chrome/">https://www.google.com/chrome/</a></li>
<li>Safari:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.apple.com/safari/">https://www.apple.com/safari/</a></li>
<li>Cursor:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.cursor.com/">https://www.cursor.com/</a></li>
<li>DevRelCon:&nbsp;<a href="https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/">https://developerrelations.com/devrelcon/devrelcon-new-york-2025/</a></li>
<li>Angie's keynote at DevRelCon:&nbsp;<a href="https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/">https://developerrelations.com/talks/devrels-biggest-stage-yet/</a></li>
</ul>
Connect with Jason
<ul>
<li>Website:&nbsp;<a href="https://jason.energy/">https://jason.energy/</a></li>
<li>X / Twitter:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/jlengstorf">https://x.com/jlengstorf</a></li>
<li>&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
Connect with Angie
<ul>
<li>Website:&nbsp;<a href="https://angiejones.tech/">https://angiejones.tech</a></li>
<li>X / Twitter:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/techgirl1908">https://x.com/techgirl1908</a></li>
</ul>
Connect with the hosts
<ul>
<li>Robbie Wagner:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner">https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner</a></li>
<li>Chuck Carpenter:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd">https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd</a></li>
<li>Adam Argyle:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/argyleink">https://x.com/argyleink</a></li>
</ul>
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