Pornography gets the blame for a lot of societal problems, including the so-called “sex recession.” Can porn ever really be ethical? Erika Lust thinks so. The adult filmmaker sees porn as an art form. She’s a self-described feminist who centers women’s desires and fantasies in her work. But how different is the product she’s making?Lust sits down with Julia Yost, senior editor at “First Things,” to make the case for porn. Together, they discuss the adult film industry, stigmas around sex and translating fantasy into reality.Note: As we work on relaunching “Interesting Times,” the show will feature a series of guest hosts in the coming months.<ul><li>00:00 - Intro</li><li>01:22 - How Erika Became a Pornographer</li><li>03:51 - Behind the Scenes of an Adult Film</li><li>08:07 - The Relationship With Performers</li><li>08:55 - Porn vs. “Euphoria”</li><li>10:16 - Ethical Porn</li><li>13:00 - Accurately Depicting Female Pleasure</li><li>14:22 - Making Porn as a Feminist</li><li>16:03 - Andrea Dworkin and the Anti-Porn Feminist Movement</li><li>19:06 - “The Golden Era of Porn”</li><li>20:55 - Fantasizing Under The Patriarchy</li><li>24:01 - Sexuality In Ancient Rome</li><li>26:15 - The Cornell Seven and Sexual Risk</li><li>34:30 - Why We Need Stigmas</li><li>40:55 - Is Porn Causing the Sex Recession?</li><li>42:23 - “The Most Vanilla People Have the Hottest Sex Lives”</li><li>43:23 - Porn Addiction and Compulsive Behavior</li><li>46:44 - Religious Conservatives Aren’t Ashamed of Sex</li></ul>(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)Thoughts? Email us at interestingtimes@nytimes.com. Please subscribe to our YouTube Channel, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@InterestingTimesNYT" rel="noopener noreferrer">Interesting Times</a>.
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