It is an honour to welcome filmmaker Alex Ross Perry to discuss his magisterial music film Pavements, about the band Pavement, as it arrives on <a href='https://mubi.com/en/gb/films/pavements'>MUBI</a> on July 11th 2025. We also took the opportunity to discuss his 3hr video essay love letter to video stores, Videoheaven, which is available to screen direct from <a href='https://www.conservecinema.org/'>Cinema Conservancy</a>.
For a deeper insight into our thoughts on the film, check out Neil and Dario's reflections from the <a href='https://cinematologists.podbean.com/e/london-film-festival-2024-episode-2/'>second 2024 London Film Festival episode</a>, the festival where Pavements had its UK premiere. To book Videoheaven, email <a href='mailto:Andrew@conservecinema.org'>Andrew@conservecinema.org</a>. 
In the main conversation, Neil talks to director Alex Ross Perry about the making of Pavements, getting into the weeds on the thought processes and collaborations (editor, actors, band) required to make such a complex film, but one that captures Alex's intention to make a cinematic work that captures the musical and cultural spirit of the band and music at the heart of the story. 
In Dario and Neil's bit, they take the meta-ness even further by discussing the process of talking on the podcast with Alex about the film as well as the challenges of communicating what makes something 'good' particularly when the form seems to undercut straight storytelling, and sincerity, throughout. Something that works due to the band's own history with those contexts. 
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