Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody join us for a heartfelt, soulful, and delightfully chaotic conversation about: 
- How to make a marriage last; 
- The importance of quiet; and
- how we can hold tight to our own humanity while demanding a more humanitarian world. 
This conversation is an urgent reminder of how we can all use our voices to make the world more beautiful. Join us now. 

About Mandy:
Mandy Patinkin is a Tony Award–winning actor, singer, and storyteller whose career spans four decades across stage, film, and television. He’s known for unforgettable roles in Evita, Sunday in the Park with George, The Princess Bride, Homeland, and Criminal Minds. He has toured the world with his solo concerts and collaborations with icons like Patti LuPone and Nathan Gunn. Since 2020, Mandy and his wife, fellow performing artist Kathryn Grody, have offered a delightfully unvarnished glimpse into 45 years of marriage online—sparking live shows with their son Gideon and a new Lemonada Media podcast, Don’t Listen to Us. 

About Kathryn: 
Kathryn Grody is an Obie Award–winning actor and writer whose work spans theater, film, and television. She won Obies for Top Girls and The Marriage of Bette and Boo, earned a Drama Desk nomination for her one-woman play A Mom’s Life. She has long been active in advocacy with groups including the International Rescue Committee and Downtown Women for Change. This fall, she premieres her new one-woman show, A Radical, Rollicking Rumination on the Optimism of Staying Alive, exploring the transition into elderhood at 78 years young. 

On their new podcast, “Don’t Listen to Us,” Mandy and Kathryn are giving you unqualified advice on everything including love, life, dolphins, work, art, bewilderments, relationships, pasta, aging, embarrassments, triumphs, ponderings on how to get through this crazy world. No question too small, no dilemma too big, no story too strange, no musing too trivial! All are welcome. 

00:00:00 Introduction
00:03:41 Welcome Mandy Patinkin and Kathryn Grody
00:05:37 Mandy playfully promotes Kathryn’s new show
00:09:31 The surprising reaction from young people
00:10:48 Mandy Patinkin’s dog, Becky
00:13:26 Mandy on how he feels about getting old
00:15:40 What Kathryn does after Mandy goes to bed
00:16:46 Mandy and Kathryn debate a recurring “issue” in their marriage
00:20:06 The first time Kathryn saw Mandy
00:27:10 Mandy and Kathryn share their repetitive marital issues
00:31:39 A hysteria about losing time
00:34:03 How a pause in the conversation can leave space for others to join
00:38:45 Glennon shares her appreciation for Abby’s gift of conversation
00:45:30 The gift of having a more talkative partner
00:50:35 Kathryn on how we need to be more generous in sharing resources
00:52:48 Holding on and trying to make the impermanent parts of life stand still
00:55:54 Why a wishing well is meaningful to Mandy Patinkin
01;02:50 How Mandy’s and Kathryn’s Judaism forms them today
01:08:36 Mandy Patinkin’s powerful thoughts on the Middle East
01:12:40 Why women should run the world
01:15:28 Mandy Patinkin’s plea to younger / older listeners
01:19:31 Mandy does not want to meet Glennon, Abby, and Amanda

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