In August 2023, authorities reported 82,000 migrants crossed through the Darién Gap, the jungles that separate Panama and Columbia, on their way to the United States. 
In August 2025, there were seven.
In that corridor these days, more migrants are heading southward, away from the U.S. border.
This unprecedented event of reverse migration is in direct response to the Trump administration's push for border and immigration crackdowns.
This week on <a href="https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/arizona/2024/10/22/the-gaggle-at-azcentral-com-a-podcast-about-arizona-politics/75784742007/">The Gaggle</a>, we are joined by two reporters who recently traveled to Mexico and Panama to document these voyages.

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