<p>This week I’m talking with Adam Jacob, founder of System Initiative and creator of Swamp, about what happens when AI agents change the entire shape of software development. We discuss how he went from an 18-person team down to five and shipped Swamp 900 times in four weeks, why he brought User Acceptance Testing (UAT) testing back from the 90s, why software architecture (and domain-driven design) suddenly matters more than knowing how to write code, the live demo where I pointed Swamp at my Proxmox box and watched it write its own automation (blew my mind!!), and why he’ll never accept a pull request to Swamp, ever.</p>
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</ul></p><p>Featuring:</p><ul><li>Adam Jacob &ndash; <a href="https://www.systeminit.com" rel="external ugc">Website</a>, <a href="https://github.com/adamhjk" rel="external ugc">GitHub</a>, <a href="https://x.com/adamhjk" rel="external ugc">X</a></li><li>Adam Stacoviak &ndash; <a href="https://adamstacoviak.com/" rel="external ugc">Website</a>, <a href="https://github.com/adamstac" rel="external ugc">GitHub</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamstacoviak" rel="external ugc">LinkedIn</a>, <a href="https://changelog.social/@adam" rel="external ugc">Mastodon</a>, <a href="https://x.com/adamstac" rel="external ugc">X</a></li></ul></p><p>Show Notes:</p><p><h4>Featured</h4>
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<li><a href="https://swamp.club/">Swamp Club</a></li>
<li><a href="https://swamp.club/manual">Swamp manual</a></li>
<li><a href="https://swamp.club/extensions">Swamp extensions</a></li>
<li><a href="https://swamp.club/leaderboard">Swamp leaderboard</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/systeminit/swamp">Swamp on GitHub</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/systeminit/swamp-extensions">Swamp extensions on GitHub</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.systeminit.com/">System Initiative</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/systeminit/si">System Initiative on GitHub</a></li>
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<h4>AI coding tools</h4>
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<li><a href="https://www.anthropic.com/claude-code">Claude Code</a></li>
<li><a href="https://docs.anthropic.com/en/docs/claude-code/overview">Claude Code docs</a></li>
<li><a href="https://developers.openai.com/codex/cli">OpenAI Codex CLI</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/openai/codex">Codex on GitHub</a></li>
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<h4>Infrastructure and automation</h4>
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<li><a href="https://www.chef.io/products/chef-infra/">Chef Infra</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.proxmox.com/en/proxmox-virtual-environment/overview">Proxmox VE</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.qemu.org/">QEMU</a></li>
<li><a href="https://grafana.com/grafana/">Grafana</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.honeycomb.io/">Honeycomb</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.better-auth.com/">Better Auth</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.typescriptlang.org/">TypeScript</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.talos.dev/">Talos Linux</a></li>
<li><a href="https://ui.com/">Ubiquiti</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.digitalocean.com/">DigitalOcean</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hetzner.com/cloud/">Hetzner Cloud</a></li>
<li><a href="https://aws.amazon.com/s3/">Amazon S3</a></li>
<li><a href="https://linuxcontainers.org/incus/">Incus</a></li>
<li><a href="https://kubernetes.io/">Kubernetes</a></li>
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<h4>Developer platforms and companies</h4>
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<li><a href="https://github.com/">GitHub</a></li>
<li><a href="https://about.gitlab.com/">GitLab</a></li>
<li><a href="https://block.xyz/">Block</a></li>
</ul>
<h4>Related Changelog episodes</h4>
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<li><a href="https://changelog.com/podcast/545">Rebuilding DevOps from the ground up</a></li>
<li><a href="https://changelog.com/friends/55">From Chef to System Initiative</a></li>
<li><a href="https://changelog.com/podcast/655">From Chef to System Initiative (remastered)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://changelog.com/podcast/353">The war for the soul of open source</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.oreilly.com/conferences/oscon.html">OSCON</a></li>
</ul>
</p><p>Something missing or broken? <a href="https://github.com/thechangelog/show-notes/blob/master/friends/changelog--friends-130.md">PRs welcome!</a></p>

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