0:00 Teaser 1:04 How AI helped shape cancer treatment for Nathan’s son 15:52 Should you tell your doctor about your AI medical adviser? 20:37 Big leaps for Gemini 3 and Claude Opus 4.5 27:59 How to get the best medical advice from your AI 34:37 The astonishing breadth of AI expertise 42:26 AI can help on the margins 55:55 Bob’s AI cancer journey 1:11:41 AI and “Right to try” 1:21:08 “Turning every stone” vs falling into anxiety rabbit holes 1:25:50 Gemini 3 vs Opus 4.5 1:31:58 Are scaling laws leveling off? 1:43:02 AI deception 1:47:36 Experiments in AI Consciousness Robert Wright (Nonzero, The Evolution of God, Why Buddhism Is True) and Nathan Labenz (Cognitive Revolution, Waymark AI). Recorded December 03, 2025.Twitter: <a target="_blank" href="https://twitter.com/NonzeroPods">https://twitter.com/NonzeroPods</a>The Cognitive Revolution podcast: <a target="_blank" href="https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai/">https://www.cognitiverevolution.ai/</a>Waymark AI: <a target="_blank" href="https://waymark.com/">https://waymark.com/</a> This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit <a href="https://www.nonzero.org/subscribe?utm_medium=podcast&#38;utm_campaign=CTA_2">www.nonzero.org/subscribe</a>

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