This is an episode in two parts. First, my thoughts on Charlie Kirk’s murder, now that I’ve had a few days to process it, and to see the unfolding reactions and responses on both sides. Then a conversation with Ben Shapiro — one that was recorded shortly before Kirk’s assassination, but that has a different significance after it.This episode contains strong language.Mentioned:<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/11/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination-fear-politics.html">“Charlie Kirk Was Practicing Politics the Right Way”</a> by Ezra Klein<a href="https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/tom-holland/dominion/9780465093502/?lens=basic-books">Dominion</a> by Tom Holland“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/13/opinion/jd-vance-interview.html">What J.D. Vance Believes</a>” by Ross DouthatBook Recommendations:<a href="https://store.cato.org/products/superabundance">Superabundance</a> by Marian Tupy and Gale Pooley<a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/D/bo3612682.html">Democracy in America</a> by Alexis de Tocqueville <a href="https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo9253956.html">The Constitution of Liberty</a> by F.A. HayekThoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com.You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.htmlThis episode of “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by Annie Galvin and Elias Isquith. Fact-checking by Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Aman Sahota. Our executive producer is Claire Gordon. The show’s production team also includes Marie Cascione, Rollin Hu, Kristin Lin, Jack McCordick, Marina King and Jan Kobal. Original music by Carole Sabouraud, Sonia Herrero and Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.
Unlock full access to New York Times podcasts and explore everything from politics to pop culture. Subscribe today at <a href="http://nytimes.com/podcasts">nytimes.com/podcasts</a> or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify.

Podurama

Home

Trending

Personal

Your Podcasts

New Episodes

My Files

Favourite Episodes

Tags (Folders)

Recently Played

Bookmarks

Followed Playlists

Ben Shapiro and I Talk Political De-escalation

The Ezra Klein Show

AI Chapters

AI Insights

Reviews