Burnout, energy management, and decision fatigue are at the center of this conversation with Liane Davey, organizational psychologist and the "teamwork doctor."<a href="https://lianedavey.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Liane Davey</a>&nbsp;is a New York Times bestselling author and CEO advisor with 25+ years researching what makes teams work. Her latest book,&nbsp;<a href="https://lianedavey.com/books/thoughtload/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thoughtload: Manage the Madness and Free Your Team to Do Great Work</a>, argues the number we've been tracking wrong all along isn't workload — it's the mental and emotional weight underneath it. She previously joined the show to talk conflict; this time she's back with the framework underneath the exhaustion itself.In this conversation, we cover:<ul><li>The Thought Load Equation: cognitive demands plus emotional burden, divided by your energy reserves — and why managers can see your workload but not this.</li><li>AI and the Hidden Cost: why offloading tasks to AI hasn't lightened the load — it's shifted the hard part to judgment and discernment, and added new anxieties of its own.</li><li>Output vs. Outcomes: the trap of chasing productivity (did I produce?) instead of effectiveness (did I move the needle?) — and why AI makes this trap worse, not better.</li><li>Three To-Do Lists, Not One: Liane's system for separating your quest, helping others, and side quests — and matching each to the right hours of your day.</li><li>Emotions Aren't the Problem, the Story Is: the "dragon and treasure" framework for catching an emotional spiral before it becomes a 2 a.m. spiral, plus why rest alone doesn't cure burnout.</li></ul>This one's for anyone who's done everything the productivity playbook told them to do and still feels like they're drowning. Liane's central point lands right at this show's: winning back your thinking time and energy isn't the finish line — it's what lets you show up for the rest of your life. Get the book and take the free thought load assessment at&nbsp;<a href="https://thoughtload.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">thoughtload.com</a>.Related episode:&nbsp;<a href="https://beyondthetodolist.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ep 261 — Conflict: Productive Conflict and How to Make Disagreement Work for You</a>&nbsp;— Liane's first appearance on the show, on fighting well at work.Connect with Liane Davey:<ul><li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/lianedavey/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a></li><li><a href="https://lianedavey.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Website</a></li><li><a href="https://thoughtload.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Thoughtload Assessment</a></li></ul>This Podcast is Powered By:<ul><li><a href="http://beyondthetodolist.com/brainfm" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Brain.fm - 20% off your first month</a></li><li><a href="http://beyondthetodolist.com/descript" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Descript</a></li><li><a href="http://beyondthetodolist.com/descript101" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Descript 101</a></li><li><a href="https://get.castmagic.io/erikjfisher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Castmagic</a></li><li><a href="https://www.ecamm.com/mac/ecammlive/?fp_ref=erik97" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Ecamm</a></li><li><a href="https://www.podpage.com/?via=erik-fisher" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Podpage</a></li><li><a href="https://amzn.to/3SGEEbr" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Rodecaster Pro</a></li></ul>See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.

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