ABOUT THE EPISODEListen in as David Schrock & Stephen Wellum interview Marc Minter on his Longform essay, "Liberty Not Separation: The Historic Development of Baptist Perspectives on Church and State"Timestamps<ul><li>00:48 – Intro</li><li>05:52 – Marc Minter and His Academic Aspirations</li><li>10:30 – The State of Political Theology in the SBC</li><li>14:48 – Influences on Political Theology</li><li>19:00 – The Significance of Everson v. Board of Education 1947</li><li>21:42 – How This Case Shaped Subsequent Generations’ Worldviews</li><li>24:27 – Jefferson’s Letter to the Danbury Baptists</li><li>30:10 – How Much Did Jefferson’s Views Change Between 1776-1802?</li><li>33:37 – The Distinction Between Reformation and Enlightment Traditions</li><li>37:55 – The Two Notions of the Term ‘Separation’</li><li>43:05 – Have We Adopted an Anabaptist Tradition of Church & State?</li><li>45:47 – E.Y. Mullins’ Views on the State</li><li>49:10 – Mullins’ Interjection into the Baptist Faith & Message</li><li>58:48 – What Should Pastors Do In Light of All This?</li><li>1:04:24 – Readings for Baptist Political Theology</li><li>1:06:10 – Outro</li></ul>Resources to Click<ul><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/liberty-not-separation-the-historic-development-of-baptist-perspectives-on-church-and-state/">“Liberty, Not Separation: The Historic Development of Baptist Perspectives on Church and State”</a> – Marc Minter</li><li><a href="https://research.lifeway.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/SWBTS-Baptist-Political-Theology-Report.pdf">“Views of Individuals in Southern Baptist Congregations on Baptist Political Theology”</a> – Lifeway Research</li><li><a href="https://americanreformer.org/2024/07/the-impotence-of-secular-conservatism/">“The Impotence of Secular Conservatism”</a> – R. Albert Mohler Jr.</li><li><a href="https://bfm.sbc.net/comparison-chart/">Comparison Chart of the Baptist Faith and Message</a></li><li>Theme of the Month: <a href="https://christoverall.com/theme/do-the-reading-selections-in-political-theology/">Do the Reading: Selections in Political Theology</a></li><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/give/">Give to Support the Work</a></li></ul>Books to Read<ul><li><a href="https://christoverall.com/article/longform/liberty-not-separation-the-historic-development-of-baptist-perspectives-on-church-and-state/">Ecclesiology: A Study of the Churches</a> – Edwin Charles Dargan</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Baptist-Political-Theology-Thomas-Kidd/dp/1087736137/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1P9EU27XVI4DU&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.kSAg62sdm2VZAS0Ki8zv8hcasupjUE-2U5PVkIHz-cR68OEQBlwaJQJpMgR1xnjzMXSYQaISAWtt31LMa-blEBQzSVj0ShGFEUN3TTKmbZUrOtvVfpQiQQy8ehJtfdTs6o8UbZNhFvSMexeoLPH4MG9ejQMqcV5DS29BJXGUn4Cd9IjH_OCcm-eL91Ln11PTeGusOIGIeYcf3PhtntHNE8OyN3U0hwwueEP2Y2fPgJ8.YDX1CzOuae1MipMN1vbHvRa_qS9wiN-MGIIwB-Qko1g&dib_tag=se&keywords=baptist+political+theology&qid=1763393723&sprefix=baptist+political+theology%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-1">Baptist Political Theology</a> – eds. Thomas Kidd, Paul Miller, & Andrew T. Walker</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jefferson-Separation-Between-Critical-America/dp/0814719368/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1G2U1HY5ZXJTY&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.IIkOgVuotYuglNSy4bUsY66o7nemG4ApJS6H20htWNZvf-UVnm4G1bj9qq_Um4huCFRJuFxmvGSMckG-ZP7GU3u78YFv-h2j4GVj_64ifyssxADbar2j8yyZvJmQ7LL2CFGW9Hhg2120TmfXuszNWYnEkqx1Zf1iaY3d6VOuyPAXtZQNuUnUoBI9BSA6lq01.DB4P8vb97RwMzv0jNNsBOgfMQk1xY3IJQUjwo8dSQms&dib_tag=se&keywords=thomas+jefferson+and+the+wall+of+separation&qid=1763394040&sprefix=thomas+jefferson+and+the+wall+of+seperation%2Caps%2C119&sr=8-1">Thomas Jefferson and the Wall of Separation Between Church and State</a> – Daniel Dreisbach</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Agreeing-Disagree-Establishment-Conscience-Inalienable/dp/0195304667/ref=sr_1_1?crid=Y3IOUEARQRRC&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.-2BZ_l50_WfyVdahATeA2Q.hKULSi9VqiRwEyImv2qU6qbT6FlLK_JyaIlh5-fD1t0&dib_tag=se&keywords=agreeing+to+disagree+nathan+chapman&qid=1763394304&sprefix=agreeing+to+disagree+nathan+chapman%2Caps%2C139&sr=8-1">Agreeing to Disagree: How the Establishment Clause Protects Religious Diversity and Freedom of Conscience</a> – Nathan S. Chapman and Michael W. McConnell</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Separation-Church-State-Philip-Hamburger/dp/0674013743/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&dib_tag=se&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.vhjdQcRtnfWYnASVMuAoZt1rVs1Jlp7FGMWX9ASMB6SuzRevqKwEPGYqJpa7HKlxbQzuCaehTExhOzXuJzfYHLG1LnRqBYameP_L5UV_2qu4daoUFviWncr89FAItDaA.hLWLkEMkUESaK4S5bMSiHAIJ3k7ix-gZPGcO1a16UeE&qid=1763394536&sr=8-1">Separation of Church and State</a> – Philip Hamburger</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/More-Than-Just-Name-Preserving/dp/0805420207/ref=sr_1_1?crid=30M594HXBT1YM&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.u3dxOMLeNICiisf1SsJidA.RWUgZgmIJvlELNDTLTngy60y_EEts85wNFipbYjG7cw&dib_tag=se&keywords=more+than+just+a+name+preserving+our+baptist+identity&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1763394688&sprefix=more+than+just+a+name+preserving+our+baptist+identity%2Caps%2C95&sr=8-1">More Than Just a Name: Preserving Our Baptist Identity</a> – Stan Norman</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Axioms-Religion-Interpretation-Baptist-Faith/dp/0881461644/ref=sr_1_1?crid=334SINS2GBDO1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.dVICgVQysZLorsRD0Seep8f8BzndxKvPBUmO_1cnlQ7GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.eGt_VwXrpVhOhIIuvTB9bi5ATg-Vp2t9F80ecO5r16k&dib_tag=se&keywords=ey+mullins+the+axioms+of+religion&qid=1763394828&sprefix=ey+mullins+the+axioms+of+religion%2Caps%2C91&sr=8-1">The Axioms of Religion: A New Interpretation of the Baptist Faith</a> – E.Y. Mullins</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Baptist-Story-English-Global-Movement/dp/1433673754/ref=sr_1_1?crid=34QRGU3JUDMA7&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.7iFGxuv-iPkcEaLXk3mqpE7eU_RyWD43_gj7W24b-Lyx6NVZHnKuYXk3N4AigJKr5j75rCq-6UEwBGjftqXMkiPL1azlMySX1fWkLKY5ryTvko1O4UBuCEnlFM083egxMn2qgoZEkRY61rxxpbuWoTZXdfC2e4D_OTU_JUiSE4t4ubGEVocmgl0pQbA6qcttVXPVlWZO8oSoDteDvzLbbFvvWJbfffW0Mb_aipOMFxM.EQ0-CKGphqGDrzlC3Ck8FUpSZfL0h6tEJnAuEx-uu_k&dib_tag=se&keywords=the+baptist+story&qid=1763395005&sprefix=the+baptist+story%2Caps%2C127&sr=8-1">The Baptist Story: From English Sect to Global Movement</a> – Anthony L. Chute, Nathan A. Finn, & Michael A.G. Haykin</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Demanding-Liberty-American-Religious-Freedom/dp/0830845283/ref=sr_1_1?crid=28CLJRB3MT1Q2&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.MJjyXkkVY82T8UIw_1o7UbUBu9gtMlyCtPO9BFDnr98.MYw9sn0PN1GkWolzePnk8CAho_R75RBarvaVwcPdzMQ&dib_tag=se&keywords=demanding+liberty+an+untold+story+of+american+religious+freedom&nsdOptOutParam=true&qid=1763395115&sprefix=demanding+liberty+an+untold+story+of+american+religious+freedom%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-1">Demanding Liberty: An Untold Story of American Religious Liberty</a> – Brandon J. O’Brien</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Let-Men-Free-1776-1835-Monographs/dp/1666743763/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1XLKVQIWQZKCX&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.wb7ugx7Wd5ew8pNl1GX5PHOUfZYpVOGAQh30tptxT_qMKzz6UNYmKpiekAk6npMmDR9bQeSQfKzITUTxNG7N10U0qSHyPR2cvQFl3ioXrkc.m2SGbr6y2QqH4Nqn4IlEVLkDXreBpoSB0Z1jmJe-_Vg&dib_tag=se&keywords=obbie+tyler+todd&qid=1763395234&sprefix=obbie+tyler+todd%2Caps%2C110&sr=8-1">Let Men Be Free: Baptist Politics in the Early United States (1776-1835)</a> – Obbie Tyler Todd</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Covenants-Catechisms-Classics-Numbered/dp/0805420762/ref=sr_1_13?crid=25YFKZINDEEC1&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.1RKKZBQV-utaP8ryXpzuMkerm0CM8kb1cFQrh9XBDiMoN3o3TPdD5DAiw8sz0EwOF9-UvwU2iFI4GcaEp46-5t-asZ1Oes5QdlF7zWck70YBeeGT91dxT82s510Z0_w-zwl3pbk-LrRK-DdoxeB1I6W19rvv4spfFLzOAWAg8DfYaR75AUDgzqNXHQONA0qyQ2m1iCPJQyKQMsb68V2o3i0ZCWf-R_Xy6LvkpD3RfjY.KQ_AtZefcjueFhRYUE-wPmICuR4tEAXBucF2eF5Kdc4&dib_tag=se&keywords=john+broadus&qid=1763395339&sprefix=john+broadus%2Caps%2C124&sr=8-13">Baptist Confessions, Covenants, and Catechisms</a> – John A. Broadus, ed. Timothy George</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Baptist-Theology-Four-Century-Griffith-Endowed/dp/0881467073/ref=sr_1_1?crid=HSNE5BR5LT0T&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.Qc4H3VSDnHljZG-hPbQhy-6yu-iZrPKpOU0DhQCV5Yd2XUunl5eOPrIrbG81p7kcxlW-iBIReSABAJKiN00PAveRtUqUvcu9U69ePnNhal5vnjFHhdLWd_BUotr5AMwVNgl6YN__sLTMd1SzGuDeWKKzvyzsMh98lKyXq8nPwqOPEIaIy8QFNJwVz78aTyuz-Wt_8ZAuCUqj4yD1VrQBcDGB-M2-9mM0jUzJaYmR4WA.dsoM-2QvsTtmwJ-4_o1PDQuiD9QAws2s49UTr-Ixry4&dib_tag=se&keywords=baptist+theology+a+four+century+study&qid=1763395445&sprefix=baptist+theology+a+four+century+study%2Caps%2C119&sr=8-1">Baptist Theology: A Four-Century Study</a> – James Leo Garrett</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Baptist-Confessions-Faith-William-Lumpkin/dp/0817016953/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1U95JOPP92N47&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.L6KpLPuQzmymsFG-jF1Ju92nD-WXbVhyoVgir0mwFRjZ6uyoXaw27dGulyFINnSB.QKCRB6qnWoGfRnIvTL-QUppMCg8hgm6lCThE0LB76js&dib_tag=se&keywords=lumpkin+baptist+confessions&qid=1763395663&sprefix=lumpkin+baptist%2Caps%2C148&sr=8-1">Baptist Confessions of Faith</a> – William L. Lumpkin</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Christianity-Liberalism-Anniversary-Gresham-Machen/dp/1955859108/ref=sr_1_3?crid=DAHI2Q5HQ6HT&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.qZ2CSd0t5pPl0whzRIIfM5uMsyW0xSmJqHUiYMpBzw70iEKWyIvHYxti02XfxMtNLgKgjJqsM6Ehm3RV2zOWhmfHjnp9FCVMsaMN1PXp9qqrRcTGKyCjPFvTitt331K45ulCgQ8afzTznpmln_MSV4x84EdNi4nmeag0VozV4DdpAuy1M7rHaHms4yACGzK5SsKmq6Qhzp1PQdv6IZhfAuvRGM-jsxZ4-pBsqi8Gzis.L5OwjkXWMF4CSWyBR6JD15ASfkIvvqjYuM2fEnUZRzU&dib_tag=se&keywords=christianity+and+liberalism&qid=1763395729&sprefix=christianity+and+liberalism%2Caps%2C142&sr=8-3">Christianity & Liberalism</a> – J. Gresham Machen</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Uneasy-Babylon-Southern-Conservative-American-ebook/dp/B012A8ZDN8/ref=sr_1_1?crid=256W2JK3XWUT3&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.OHg_K-4a5f907SUtRR-g_g.m8YLQBEYiwN8ZQ3_LHtj7qy9vtPESrKghxi2TZg6wRc&dib_tag=se&keywords=hankins+uneasy+in+babylon&qid=1763395896&sprefix=hankins+uneasy+in+babylon%2Caps%2C108&sr=8-1">Uneasy in Babylon: Southern Baptist Conservatives and American Culture</a> – Barry Hankins</li></ul>

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