For America's 250th, we asked Ezra Klein what freedom actually requires 
of us — and he took us somewhere we didn't expect: attention. We get 
into why the older idea of freedom was about self-mastery, not just 
endless choice, and what that means for how we live, parent, and govern 
right now. It's a Fourth of July conversation about virtue, 
institutions, and whether we can still build something new.Topics discussed:• The vision of abundance and why the future is so hard to imagine• Attention as a collective resource — and why ours is deranged• Freedom as choice vs. freedom as self-mastery• Virtue, vice, and the illiberal moment• Institutional trust, corruption, and the education debate• Natalism, AI, and whether we're living through an aberration• Outside of Politics: which founder would make the best podcast guestResources mentioned:• Abundance by Ezra Klein and Derek Thompson <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668023488">https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668023488</a>• Why We're Polarized by Ezra Klein<a href="https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781476700366">https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781476700366</a>• The Lost History of Liberalism by Helena Rosenblatt <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9780691203966">https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9780691203966</a>• The Pursuit of Happiness by Jeffrey Rosen <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668002483">https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781668002483</a>• The British Are Coming by Rick Atkinson <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781250231321">https://bookshop.org/a/124929/9781250231321</a>• "Now Is a Time of Monsters" by Ezra Klein, The New York Times<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/12/opinion/ai-climate-change-low-birth-rates.html?eafs_enabled=false">https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/12/opinion/ai-climate-change-low-birth-rates.html?eafs_enabled=false</a> Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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