Your favorite psychologists, John Gartner and Harry Segal, follow the big terrible bill and the Donald/Elon break-up, while looking at video proof of the strong-armed tactics of ICE’s masked enforcers. Also, journalist and political commentator Ahmed Baba returns for another conversation, as engaging as ever, to talk about this moment in politics and how to think about the way forward.

Be sure to subscribe wherever you get your podcasts:<a href="https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/shrinking-trump">Our site</a><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/shrinking-trump/id1745797271">Subscribe on iTunes</a><a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/4xuuqHxzruLEsQXtTuJjP4">Subscribe on Spotify</a><a href="https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/a101a15a-8b18-49c8-b556-c201aece30ee/shrinking-trump">Subscribe on Amazon Music</a><a href="https://www.iheart.com/podcast/269-shrinking-trump-175213669/">Subscribe on iHeartRadio</a>They argue that Trump’s erratic leadership—driven by malignant self-interest—renders him woefully unprepared to withstand the pushback coming from both unexpected allies and traditional critics. Musk’s very public denouncement, marking a sharp break from his former allegiance, highlights the deep vulnerabilities in Trump’s approach.

Equally unsettling is the recent video evidence capturing ICE’s masked enforcers employing strong-armed tactics against immigrants. Dr. Segal scrutinizes these disturbing images, linking them to a broader, calculated strategy designed to erode democratic oversight and crush dissent. He warns that these aren’t isolated actions but part of an orchestrated pattern of authoritarianism that threatens the very fabric of our institutions.

Rejoining the conversation is incisive journalist and political commentator Ahmed Baba, whose sharp analysis deepens the discussion. Baba emphasizes that this turbulent moment in American politics necessitates a strategic, informed resistance—urging every citizen to remain vigilant and proactive in defending our democratic values. He points out how the Trump administration has repeatedly exploited legal loopholes, making civic engagement not just important, but essential.

Throughout the episode, the dialogue weaves together psychological insight with raw political critique. Dr. Gartner zeroes in on the perils of Trump’s impulsivity, noting that his personal flaws not only undermine legislative efforts but also sow discord within his own ranks. Concurrently, Dr. Segal champions the resilience of civil society—from grassroots activists to principled judges and steadfast political figures who are mounting a formidable resistance.

In wrapping up, Dr. Gartner and Dr. Segal deliver a stirring call to action: remain engaged, scrutinize power relentlessly, and stand firm in defense of democratic norms. They remind us that understanding the psychology behind authoritarian tactics is our most potent tool for countering them. Only through informed dialogue and concerted action can we hope to reclaim our nation's future from the corrosive grip of toxic leadership.

Don’t forget—subscribe wherever you get your podcasts: on our site, iTunes, Spotify, Amazon Music, and iHeartRadio. Join us as we continue to dissect the dynamic interplay of psychology and politics, and ensure that every act of authoritarian overreach is met with unwavering resistance.


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