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Area 52 creator Chris Ramsay joins Andy for a wide-ranging conversation about how a magician and puzzle creator with seven million subscribers became one of the most distinctive voices in UFO media. Chris explains why he remains low-conviction on most claims, how remote viewing and his experiences connected to the Monroe Institute changed his outlook, and why he believes the current disclosure debate may be distracting people from the real work.Chris also discusses the alleged mobile underwater construction unit, the UFO cases and witnesses he finds most convincing, and why official confirmation may never satisfy the UFO community. Later, he recounts his private conversation with Bob Lazar and explains why Lazar’s reaction raised his conviction, offers a more cautious assessment of Travis Walton, and describes a waking out-of-body experience he believes was distinct from a lucid dream.A thoughtful, funny and surprisingly personal conversation about belief, evidence, consciousness, disclosure and why the mystery may matter as much as the answer.Tickets for Chris's tour - <a href="https://itsprobablynothing.com/">https://itsprobablynothing.com/</a>🔥 Support the show & get bonus content:🛸 YouTube Memberships: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join">https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHw9Lru3EcpRQyM7AI5TlmA/join</a>🛸 Patreon: <a href="https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast">https://www.patreon.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast</a>🛸 Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/that-ufo-podcast/id1511121397</a>🛸 Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ">https://open.spotify.com/show/7wnXUAQ3vwdsX1BoyaEvjZ</a>🛸 Buy Me a Coffee: <a href="https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast">https://www.buymeacoffee.com/ThatUFOPodcast</a>📲 Connect with the show:Twitter: @UFOUAPAMFacebook, Instagram & YouTube: That UFO PodcastYouTube: <a href="http://YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast">YouTube.com/c/ThatUFOPodcast</a>Email: UFOUAPAM@gmail.comAll links: <a href="https://linktr.ee/ufouapam">https://linktr.ee/ufouapam</a>Official Website: <a href="http://ThatUFOPodcast.com">ThatUFOPodcast.com</a>👍 Don’t forget to subscribe, like & leave a review — it really helps!Thanks for listening,Andy</div>

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