Our friend Justin Searls recently published a <a href="https://blog.testdouble.com/posts/2023-07-12-the-looming-demise-of-the-10x-developer">widely-read essay</a> on enthusiast programmers, inter-generational conflict & what we do with this information. That seemed like a good conversation starter, so we grabbed Justin and Landon Gray to discuss. Let’s talk!

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Featuring:
<ul><li>Justin Searls &ndash; <a href="https://mastodon.social/@searls" rel="external ugc">Mastodon</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/searls" rel="external ugc">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://github.com/searls" rel="external ugc">GitHub</a>, <a href="https://justin.searls.co/" rel="external ugc">Website</a></li><li>Landon Gray &ndash; <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/thedayisntgray" rel="external ugc">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Jerod Santo &ndash; <a href="https://changelog.social/@jerod" rel="external ugc">Mastodon</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/jerodsanto" rel="external ugc">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://github.com/jerodsanto" rel="external ugc">GitHub</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/jerodsanto" rel="external ugc">LinkedIn</a></li><li>Adam Stacoviak &ndash; <a href="https://changelog.social/@adam" rel="external ugc">Mastodon</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/adamstac" rel="external ugc">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://github.com/adamstac" rel="external ugc">GitHub</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/adamstacoviak" rel="external ugc">LinkedIn</a>, <a href="https://adamstacoviak.com/" rel="external ugc">Website</a></li></ul>

Show Notes:
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<li><a href="https://blog.testdouble.com/posts/2023-07-12-the-looming-demise-of-the-10x-developer">Justin’s post</a></li>
<li><a href="https://justin.searls.co/newsletter/">Justin’s monthly newsletter</a></li>
<li><a href="https://blog.testdouble.com/field-reports/ruby-kaigi/">Justin’s Ruby Kaigi coverage</a></li>
<li><a href="https://changelog.com/person/searls/podcasts">Justin’s previous Changelog appearances</a></li>
<li><a href="https://testdouble.com">Test Double</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/nodenv/nodenv">nodenv</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.destroyallsoftware.com/screencasts">Destroy All Software</a></li>
<li><a href="https://apnews.com/article/kentucky-school-bus-delays-jefferson-louisville-68caa1f37aa0e00fcdee753d00a0e32d">Louisville’s AI Schoolbus Route fiasco</a></li>
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Something missing or broken? <a href="https://github.com/thechangelog/show-notes/blob/master/friends/changelog--friends-11.md">PRs welcome!</a>

Timestamps:

(00:00) - Let's talk!(00:38) - Old friends & new friends(01:03) - 4+ people podcasts(01:42) - Conferencing on hard mode(02:37) - Justin the Rubyist(04:45) - Justin & Friends(05:21) - Era of the enthusiast programmers(11:36) - Landon's introduction(13:39) - Thoughts on the post(16:25) - Experiment with the world(19:32) - Inter-generational conflict(26:47) - Jerod's passion(28:10) - Defining generations(30:30) - Evolved marketing(32:21) - Landon's coding journey(36:19) - Justin's intro to programming(37:52) - Napster(39:51) - 10x dev(41:26) - Landon on passion(44:47) - Atypical traits(46:48) - #LearnToCode(48:55) - Friendly dev tools(50:12) - It's a numbers game(53:03) - Landon on persistence(57:37) - Obligatory shift to AI(1:02:40) - Stopping at 'make it work'(1:03:16) - AI as training wheels(1:07:07) - More grit(1:09:14) - This house of cards(1:14:47) - Taking the wheels off(1:15:30) - High stakes(1:18:14) - How do we land this plane(1:19:07) - We're going to figure it out!(1:20:23) - Landon'ing the plane(1:20:46) - Coming up next (Changelog++!)

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