Can the Democrats finally seize on President Trump’s increasing unpopularity and end their slump? It seems to me as though 2026 is providing them ample opportunity. But I wanted to know what they actually stand for. Have they learned anything about immigration? Are they ready for the new politics of artificial intelligence? To find out, I asked someone I consider a true man of the left, Chris Hayes, the host of “All In With Chris Hayes” on MS NOW.
<ul>
 <li>00:00 Intro</li>
 <li>02:09 - Democrats: The state of play in 2026</li>
 <li>06:46 - How Israel fractures the Democrats</li>
 <li>09:19 - Immigration reform beyond the “old consensus”</li>
 <li>19:46 - Models for Democratic leadership: Mark Kelly, Ruben Gallego, Rafael Warnock, and Jon Ossoff</li>
 <li>27:22 - 2028: Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom and “the Hillary Clinton problem” </li>
 <li>30:41 - The politics of attention</li>
 <li>36:19 - The challenges of achieving a Leftist society</li>
 <li>45:37 - A Leftist case against A.I.</li>
 <li>1:04:23 - Will A.I. define the 2028 election?</li>
</ul>
(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)
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