What happens when the tech platforms care more about engagement and profits than music?
DiS meets music & technology journalist Cherie Hu, the founder of Water & Music, who's spent years mapping how tech giants from Spotify's recommendation algorithms to the venture capital funding streaming platforms. She's built one of music's most essential research operations to help fans and artists understand who really benefits from the current system and how best to use the tech of tomorrow..

Chapters
00:00 – Introduction
03:20 – Defining practical futurism and collaborative research
05:40 – From Forbes freelancer to community builder
07:55 – The evolution of Water & Music's collaborative model
12:40 – What collaboration enables now vs. the past
17:25 – Music and media's parallel challenge
22:15 – Building relationships and networks in the attention economy
23:50 – Domain specialisation vs. generalist approach in a noisy media landscape
29:20 – Artists and founders engaging with Water & Music
31:40 – Evergreen content, catalog lessons, and growth strategies
37:25 – Community building fundamentals: patience, trust, and institutional memory
40:05 – Math, music, and creativity
42:10 – Defining what community means
43:30 – Sean's Outro
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Guest Links:
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<li><a href='https://waterandmusic.com'>Water & Music - Independent music industry research</a></li>
<li><a href='https://www.cheriehu.com/'>Cherie Hu</a></li>
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About the Host:
Sean Adams is the founder of Drowned in Sound, championing independent music since 2000. Through DiS, he maps music's future while supporting artists and fans building alternatives to platform control.

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