The war between Ukraine and Russia is being fought increasingly via drone —and NATO and US military leadership is training troops for future conflicts that will pit man against machine.
Guest: <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/author/jake-epstein">Jake Epstein</a>, senior defense reporter for Business Insider.
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