Even now our beloved host Ryan doesn’t know what he thinks about Russian interference in the 2016 election. So, he is joined by Garrett Graff, a journalist and author who continually re-examines the question: What is the truth behind the “Russia, Russia, Russia” scandal? How real and deep was their involvement in US politics in the past decade, and how important ultimately was it — or the idea of it?

Our guest is Garrett Graff, host of the Long Shadow podcast, previously a national security journalist while all of these Russian interference allegations began, and the <a href="https://www.amazon.com/s?k=garrett+graff+books&adgrpid=186431568956&hvadid=779530738749&hvdev=c&hvexpln=0&hvlocphy=1022762&hvnetw=g&hvocijid=3123791998452606687--&hvqmt=e&hvrand=3123791998452606687&hvtargid=kwd-474996721880&hydadcr=20561_13638466_2281789&mcid=76fb1e6569ed362981890d952a720daa&tag=googhydr-20&ref=pd_sl_56ahm013ft_e">⁠author of several books⁠</a>. Check out Long Shadow <a href="https://longshadowpodcast.com/">⁠here⁠</a> or wherever you get your podcasts, and follow Garrett’s other work at <a href="https://www.doomsdayscenario.co/">⁠Doomsday Scenario⁠</a>.
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