The former senator Sherrod Brown, of Ohio, joins Tyler Foggatt to discuss the tumult that Trump’s tariffs have inflicted on the global economy, and why progressives should not merely oppose the President’s trade policy but offer a clear alternative. “I've heard economists talk about these tariffs upending the global order on trade. Well, to a lot of workers, anything’s better than the global order on trade. It’s our policy problem as a country, and it’s our political problem for Democrats,” Brown says. They also discuss his latest project, <a href="https://www.dignityofworkinstitute.org/">The Dignity of Work Institute</a>, a think tank dedicated to advocacy for the working class. This week’s reading:<ul>
<li>“‘<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/deep-state-diaries/i-am-seeing-my-community-of-researchers-decimated">I Am Seeing My Community of Researchers Decimated</a>,’” by E. Tammy Kim</li>
<li>“<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-lede/the-other-side-of-signalgate">The Other Side of Signalgate</a>,” by Rozina Ali</li>
<li>“<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-lede/the-trump-show-comes-to-the-kennedy-center">The Trump Show Comes to the Kennedy Center</a>,” by Katy Waldman</li>
<li>“<a href="https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/04/14/at-the-smithsonian-donald-trump-takes-aim-at-history">At the Smithsonian, Donald Trump Takes Aim at History</a>,” by David Remnick</li>
</ul>To discover more podcasts from The New Yorker, visit <a href="http://newyorker.com/podcasts">newyorker.com/podcasts</a>. To send feedback on this episode, write to <a href="mailto:themail@newyorker.com">themail@newyorker.com</a>.

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