Dan welcomes Pansy Division co-founder Jon Ginoli, whose pioneering queer punk band formed in San Francisco in 1991 as the first openly gay rock group featuring predominantly gay musicians.Jon discusses forming Pansy Division during the AIDS crisis, deliberately creating pro-sex music with explicit queer content when rock wasn't considered "gay music." He recounts touring with Green Day in 1994, exposing their teenage audience to unapologetically queer music—a risk that benefited both bands.The conversation explores Jon's punk influences, including the Sex Pistols' "Anarchy in the UK" providing a glimpse of possibilities beyond his Midwestern upbringing. John reflects on the evolution of queer representation in music, from the coded language of artists like Marc Almond to today's diverse landscape of openly queer musicians.Jon recommends "Femme in a Black Leather Jacket" as his gateway track—the first song he wrote for Pansy Division, exploring desire in a way that remains universally relatable.Find Pansy Division's music on streaming platforms, including their recently reissued first album on purple vinyl.Spotify playlist can be found <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5sEC0ynrxB0iTThMf1VOLK?si=364215ac743f4bae" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">HERE</a>.The podcast is on Instagram (@inthekeyofq) and Facebook (search: In the Key of Q).

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