In this two-for-one special recorded at HumanX, Ryan is joined by Dataiku’s Florian Douetteau to chat about the governance, orchestration, and data requirements for serious agentic systems and 1Password’s Nancy Wang for a conversation on making agent swarms secure.Ryan first catches up with Dataiku co-founder and CEO Florian Douettea to chat serious agentic systems and why they require intentional frameworks, orchestration, governance, and reusable, documented data products. Then, 1Password’s CTO Nancy Wang returns to the show to discuss why current identity standards don’t fit the new world of agents, especially when ephemeral agent swarms make attribution to a single user difficult.&nbsp;Episode notes:<a href="https://www.dataiku.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Dataiku</a> orchestrates data stacks and lets you create analytics, models, and agents.&nbsp;Florian <a href="https://stackoverflow.blog/2025/04/22/visually-orchestrating-data-diagnostics-but-platform-agnostic/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">previously appeared</a> on this program in an episode recorded at the last HumanX conference.&nbsp;<a href="https://1password.com" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">1Password</a> keeps your credentials secure through end-to-end encryption, zero-knowledge architecture, and more. You can learn more about building secure agent swarms at <a href="https://1password.com/blog/how-to-build-secure-agent-swarms-that-power-autonomous-systems" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">their blog</a>.&nbsp;Nancy Wang <a href="https://stackoverflow.blog/2026/03/27/prevent-agentic-identity-theft/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">previously appeared</a> on the pod in March 2026.&nbsp;Connect with Florian on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/fdouetteau/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>.Connect with Nancy on <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/wangnancy/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">LinkedIn</a>.&nbsp;See Privacy Policy at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy</a> and California Privacy Notice at <a href="https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info</a>.

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