"You want to preserve your experience of the work. You want to preserve the doing of the art." ~Cadwell Turnbull Amazing author Cadwell Turnbull joins us to dives deep into the creative process and discuss his latest book, A Ruin Great and Free. We talk about his writing journey, trilogy challenges, and approaching social issues in his books. (This post went live for supporters on November 24, 2025. If you want early, ad-free, and sometimes expanded episodes, support at <a href= "http://www.patreon.com/mightymur" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Patreon</a>!) <a href= "https://murverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/isbw-s21-ep21.docx" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Download Transcript</a> Links <ul> <li><a href="https://cadwellturnbull.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Cadwell Turnbull</a> and on <a href= "https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3lY5o0zmHu3DJATYL5eZmQ" target= "_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">YouTube</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.emilymandel.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Emily St. John Mandel</a></li> <li><a href="https://www.octaviabutler.com/" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Octavia Butler</a></li> <li><a href="https://english.chass.ncsu.edu/graduate/mfa/" target= "_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">North Carolina State University's MFA program</a></li> </ul> Evergreen Links <ul> <li><a href= "https://bookshop.org/lists/i-should-be-writing-season-21" target= "_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">See all books from Season 21</a></li> <li>Like the podcast? Get the book! <a href= "https://www.amazon.com/Should-Be-Writing-Writers-Workshop-ebook/dp/B079TLDQTQ/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">I Should Be Writing</a>.</li> <li>Socials: <a href="http://mightymur.bsky.social/" target= "_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Bluesky</a>, <a href= "https://www.instagram.com/mightymur2" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Instagram</a>, <a href= "https://www.youtube.com/murlafferty" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">YouTube</a>, <a href= "https://www.focusmate.com/i/eFYhRYYxW7" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Focusmate</a></li> <li>Theme by <a href="https://johnanealio.bandcamp.com/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">John Anealio</a></li> <li><a href= "https://www.adagio.com/signature_blend/group.html?group=18371" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Savor I Should Be Writing tea blends</a></li> <li>Support local book stores! <a href= "https://bookshop.org/contributors/mur-lafferty" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Station Eternity, Six Wakes, Solo: A Star Wars Story: Expanded Edition and more!</a></li> <li>OR Get signed books from my friendly local store, <a href= "https://www.flyleafbooks.com/mur-lafferty-signed" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Flyleaf Books!</a></li> </ul> — "The Journey from Ideas to Anarchy with Cadwell Turnbull" is brought to you in large part by my supporters, the Fabulists, who received an early, expanded version of this episode. You can join our Fabulist community with a pledge on <a href= "http://www.patreon.com/mightymur" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Patreon</a>! Some of the links above may be affiliate, allowing you to support the show at no extra cost to you. Also consider leaving a review for ISBW, please! CREDITS Theme song by <a href="https://johnanealio.bandcamp.com/music" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">John Anealio</a>, art by <a href= "http://ko-fi.com/numbersninja/commissions" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Numbers Ninja</a>, and files hosted by <a href="https://signup.libsyn.com/?promo_code=MUR" target= "_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">Libsyn (affiliate link).</a> Get archives of the show via <a href= "https://www.patreon.com/mightymur" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Patreon.</a> November 24, 2025 | Season 21 Ep 22 | <a href= "https://murverse.com" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow" data-link-auto= "">murverse.com</a> "The Journey from Ideas to Anarchy with Cadwell Turnbull" by <a href="http://murverse.com" target="_blank" rel= "noopener noreferrer nofollow">Mur Lafferty</a> is licensed under <a href= "http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/4.0/?ref=chooser-v1" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer nofollow">CC BY-NC-SA 4.0</a> In case it wasn't clear: Mur and this podcast are fully supportive of LGBTQ+ folks, believe that Black Lives Matter, and trans rights are human rights, despite which direction the political winds blow. If you do not agree, then there are plenty of other places to go on the Internet.

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