Guest: <ul> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.schneier.com/">Bruce Schneier</a></li> </ul> Topics: <ul> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation">Do you believe that AI is going to end up being a net improvement for defenders or attackers? Is short term vs long term different?</li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation">We're excited about the new book you have coming out with your co-author <a href= "https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262049948/rewiring-democracy/">Nathan Sanders "Rewiring Democracy"</a>. We want to ask the same question, but for society: do you think AI is going to end up helping the forces of liberal democracy, or the forces of corruption, illiberalism, and authoritarianism? </li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation">If exploitation is always cheaper than patching (and attackers don't follow as many rules and procedures), do we have a chance here? </li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation">If this requires pervasive and fast "humanless" automatic patching (kinda like what Chrome does for years), will this ever work for most organizations?</li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation">Do defenders have to do the same and just discover and fix issues faster? Or can we use AI somehow differently?</li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation">Does this make defense in depth more important?</li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation">How do you see AI as changing how society develops and maintains trust? </li> </ul> Resources: <ul> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://mitpress.mit.edu/9780262049948/rewiring-democracy/">"Rewiring Democracy"</a> book</li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation">"<a href= "https://www.amazon.com/Infomocracy-Book-One-Centenal-Cycle/dp/0765392364">Informacracy Trilogy</a>" book</li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2025/10/agentic-ais-ooda-loop-problem.html"> Agentic AI's OODA Loop Problem</a></li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://cloud.withgoogle.com/cloudsecurity/podcast/ep255-separating-hype-from-hazard-the-truth-about-autonomous-ai-hacking/"> EP255 Separating Hype from Hazard: The Truth About Autonomous AI Hacking</a></li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://dl.acm.org/doi/10.1145/3737610">AI and Trust</a></li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://spectrum.ieee.org/data-integrity">AI and Data Integrity</a></li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://cloud.withgoogle.com/cloudsecurity/podcast/ep223-ai-addressable-not-ai-solvable-reflections-from-rsa-2025/"> EP223 AI Addressable, Not AI Solvable: Reflections from RSA 2025</a></li> <li dir="ltr" role="presentation"><a href= "https://medium.com/anton-on-security/rsa-2025-ais-promise-vs-security-s-past-a-reality-check-e06deb3bd579"> RSA 2025: AI's Promise vs. Security's Past — A Reality Check</a></li> </ul>

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