This episode is a part of a segment of the Mutuality Matters podcast, hosted by Tara and Todd Korpi. In this segment we discuss headship theology––dynamics of power, authority, and gender, and how they function in Christian homes, the local church and society. In this special two-part interview, we’re joined by Zachary C. Wagner, director of programs for the Center for Pastor Theologians and author of Non-Toxic Masculinity, to discuss the role unhelpful views of masculinity impact how women and men function together. 
 
Guest Bio  
Zachary Wagner is a writer, researcher, and ordained minister––thinker of thoughts and feeler of feelings who lives in Chicagoland. He is pursuing a DPhil (PhD) in New Testament studies at Keble College, University of Oxford. He also serves as the director of Programs for the <a href='https://pastortheologians.com/'>Center for Pastor Theologians</a>, where he co-hosts the <a href='https://www.pastortheologians.com/podcast'>CPT Podcast</a>. His research interests include economics in the ancient world, divine wages in Second Temple Judaism and early Christianity, Pauline epistles, the Gospel of Matthew, and New Testament masculinities. His first book, Non-Toxic Masculinity: Recovering Healthy Male Sexuality, was published in 2023 with Intervarsity Press. Zach’s other writing interests include evangelical and “post-vangelical” Christian discipleship, theological formation, and speaking against church-based abuse. 
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<li><a href='https://www.ivpress.com/non-toxic-masculinity'>Buy Zachary’s book, Non-Toxic Masculinity</a> </li>
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<li>Follow Zachary on <a href='https://www.instagram.com/zacharycwagner'>Instagram</a> and <a href='https://x.com/zacharycwagner'>X</a> </li>
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<li><a href='https://www.pastortheologians.com/articles/2021/3/17/a-broken-masculinity-how-purity-culture-sowed-the-seeds-of-violence-and-abuse'>Read “Broken Masculinity” on the Center for Pastor Theologians</a> </li>
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 Related Resources 
<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/new-voices-non-toxic-masculinity-with-zachary-wagner/'>New Voices: Non-Toxic Masculinity with Zachary Wagner</a> 
<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/let-god-reign-ditching-the-umbrellas-of-hierarchy/'>Let God Reign: Ditching the Umbrellas of Hierarchy</a> 
<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/lets-stop-talking-about-masculinity-and-start-talking-about-discipleship/'>Let’s Stop Talking about Masculinity and Start Talking about Discipleship</a> 
 
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