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Alex is an associate professor of psychology at Vanderbilt University where he heads the Maier Lab. His work in neuroscience spans vision, visual perception, and cognition, studying the neurophysiology of cortical columns, and other related topics. Today, he is here to discuss where his focus has shifted over the past few years, the neuroscience of consciousness. I should say shifted back, since that was his original love, which you'll hear about.



I've known Alex since my own time at Vanderbilt, where I was a postdoc and he was a new faculty member, and I remember being impressed with him then. I was at a talk he gave - job talk or early talk - where it was immediately obvious how passionate and articulate he is about what he does, and I remember he even showed off some of his telescope photography - good pictures of the moon, I remember. Anyway, we always had fun interactions, even if sometimes it was a quick hello as he ran up stairs and down hallways to get wherever he was going, always in a hurry.



Today we discuss why Alex sees integration information theory as the most viable current prospect for explaining consciousness. That is mainly because IIT has developed a formalized mathematical account that hopes to do for consciousness what other math has done for physics, that is, give us what we know as laws of nature. So basically our discussion revolves around everything related to that, like philosophy of science, distinguishing mathematics from "the mathematical", some of the tools he is finding valuable, like category theory, and some of his work measuring the level of consciousness IIT says a whole soccer team has, not just the individuals that comprise the team.



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<li><a href="https://maierlab.wiki/">Maier Lab</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/@astonishinghypothesis/featured">Astonishing Hypothesis</a> (Alex's youtube channel)</li>



<li>Twitter: </li>



<li><a href="https://maierav.github.io/sensation/">Sensation and Perception</a> textbook (in-the-making)</li>



<li>Related papers
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<li><a href="https://osf.io/preprints/psyarxiv/cdjpf_v1">Linking the Structure of Neuronal Mechanisms to the Structure of Qualia</a></li>



<li><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960077925016406">Information integration and the latent consciousness of human groups</a></li>



<li><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2504.09614">Neural mechanisms of predictive processing: a collaborative community experiment through the OpenScope program</a></li>
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<li>Various things Alex mentioned:
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<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVDRB0GtHqE">“An Antiphilosophy of Mathematics,” Peter J. Freyd</a> youtube video about "the mathematical".</li>



<li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUl4u3cNGP63bAfjGas3TuA4ZCPUtN6Xf">David Kaiser's playlist on modern physics</a>.</li>
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0:00 - Intro
4:27 - Discovering consciousness science
11:23 - Laws of perception
15:48 - Integrated information theory and mathematical formalism
23:54 - Theories of consciousness without math
28:18 - Computation metaphor
34:44 - Formalized mathematics is the way
36:56 - Category theory
41:42 - Structuralism
51:09 - The mathematical
54:33 - Metaphysics of the mathematical
59:52 - Yoneda Lemma
1:12:05 - What's real
1:26:22 - Measuring consciousness of a soccer team
1:35:03 - Assumptions and approximations of IIT
1:43:13 - Open science

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