President Trump is very unpopular right now. But polls show the Democratic Party is just as unpopular – if not more so. So what can the party do about it? 
But to answer that question, you first have to understand what the Democratic Party is. That is, mechanically, what is it? What powers does it have? When you call the Democratic Party, who picks up the phone? And how can that party, the official party, be reinvented for this era?
Ben Wikler has a unique perspective on this question. He transformed the Democratic Party of Wisconsin into a fund-raising, door-knocking powerhouse when he served as chair from 2019 to 2025. And he’s shared some of his insights from winning elections in a swing state in his new book, “This Is The Plan: How to End America's Meltdown and Save Democracy.”
In this conversation, we discuss Wikler’s vision for a reinvigorated party, as well as the kinds of changes he thinks Democrats need to embrace if they want to build a bigger tent and a national majority. 
Mentioned:
“<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/26/opinion/ezra-klein-podcast-ben-wikler.html" rel="noopener noreferrer">This Is How Democrats Win in Wisconsin</a>” with Ben Wikler on The Ezra Klein Show
“<a href="https://www.axios.com/2026/07/19/republicans-midterms-hate-election" rel="noopener noreferrer">GOP midterm strategy: Make it a ‘hate election’</a>” by Marc Caputo
Book Recommendations:
<a href="https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/24307/master-of-the-senate-pulitzer-prize-winner-by-robert-a-caro/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Master of the Senate</a> by Robert A. Caro
<a href="https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300078152/seeing-like-a-state/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Seeing Like a State</a> by James C. Scott
<a href="https://www.readriordan.com/book/sal-and-gabi-break-the-universe/" rel="noopener noreferrer">Sal & Gabi Break the Universe</a> by Carlos Hernandez
Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at <a href="mailto:ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com" rel="noopener noreferrer">ezrakleinshow@nytimes.com</a>.
You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html
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