<h2 id="phil-le-brun-the-octopus-organization">Phil Le-Brun: The Octopus Organization</h2>
<p>Phil Le-Brun is an executive in residence at Amazon Web Services and a former corporate VP and international CIO at the McDonald’s Corporation. He is a sought-after speaker and has been featured in <em>Harvard Business Review, The Wall Street Journal,</em> and <em>The Guardian.</em> He is the co-author with Jana Werner of <em>The Octopus Organization: A Guide to Thriving in a World of Continuous Transformation</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4uZlvTp">Amazon</a>, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/90226/9798892791403">Bookshop</a>)*.</p>
<p>Most of us have gone through some version of a reorg. A lot of leaders have also implemented their own reorgs. Sometimes they work. Many times, they don’t. In this conversation, Phil and I discuss what goes wrong with reorgs and how we can do better.</p>
<h3 id="key-points">Key Points</h3>
<ul>
<li>Organizations traditionally looked like the tin man from <em>The Wizard of Oz:</em> perfectly planned, many interchangeable parts, not flexible.</li>
<li>An octopus organization adapts, works independently to serve the larger whole, and is innately curious.</li>
<li>A reorg that starts with an org chart misses the complex organic connections you are unlikely to fully understand.</li>
<li>Prioritize structural stability while building internal flexibility.</li>
<li>Nurture the complex informal human networks that deliver value.</li>
<li>Be honest about objectives and communicate a reorg early.</li>
<li>Engage people by starting with smaller-scale change. Clarify the problem to be solved instead of the structural “answer.”</li>
</ul>
<h3 id="resources-mentioned">Resources Mentioned</h3>
<ul>
<li><em>The Octopus Organization: A Guide to Thriving in a World of Continuous Transformation</em> by Phil Le-Brun and Jana Werner (<a href="https://amzn.to/4uZlvTp">Amazon</a>, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/90226/9798892791403">Bookshop</a>)*</li>
</ul>
<h3 id="interview-notes">Interview Notes</h3>
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