Brad welcomes Liz Theoharis and Charon Hribar, editors of We Pray Freedom: Liturgies and Rituals from The Freedom Church of the Poor. Both guests are key leaders in the faith-based anti-poverty movement and longtime organizers with the Poor People’s Campaign. Together, they discuss how liturgy and ritual can be reclaimed as acts of collective resistance, solidarity, and hope among the poor and dispossessed.
The conversation weaves through Liz and Charon’s personal journeys—Liz’s formation in faith-driven social justice work and Charon’s discovery of liberation theology growing up in a steel town—and traces how decades of grassroots organizing through the Kairos Center inspired this new book. They explore how faith traditions, particularly Christianity, can serve as public, justice-oriented practice rather than private belief, what it means to “pray with your feet,” and how ritual itself can be political.
Drawing from We Pray Freedom, the guests share powerful examples: a memorial liturgy for unhoused people at New York’s Potter’s Field, a reimagined Las Posadas led by migrant communities, and multi-faith celebrations like Diwali and Passover that embody joy, resilience, and defiance. They also address the current “war on the poor” in the U.S.—from healthcare cuts to attacks on education—and highlight how communities continue to organize, resist, and find joy together.
This episode is both a spiritual and practical conversation about how worship, art, and music can sustain movements for justice.
Resources Mentioned:
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We Pray Freedom: Liturgies and Rituals from The Freedom Church of the Poor – available via <a href="https://bookshop.org">Bookshop.org</a> and major retailers
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Companion site: <a href="https://weprayfreedom.org">weprayfreedom.org</a> (includes songs, liturgies, and other materials)
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The Kairos Center: <a href="">kairoscenter.org</a> | <a href="https://instagram.com/kairoscenternyc">@kairoscenternyc</a>
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