Pablos Holman is a hacker and inventor and the author of <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Future-Creating-Technology-Matters/dp/B0F23CLXZP/?tag=offsitoftimfe-20" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Deep Future: Creating Technology that Matters</a>, the indispensable guide to deep tech. Previously, Pablos worked on spaceships at Blue Origin and helped build <a href="https://www.intellectualventures.com/what-we-do/iv-lab" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Intellectual Ventures Lab</a> to invent a wide variety of breakthroughs. Pablos also hosts the <a href="https://deepfuture.tech/podcast-index/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Deep Future Podcast</a> and is managing partner at <a href="https://deepfuture.tech/" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Deep Future</a>.This episode is brought to you by:<a href="https://cressetcapital.com/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Cresset</a>&nbsp;prestigious family office for CEOs, founders, and entrepreneurs: <a href="https://cressetcapital.com/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://cressetcapital.com/tim</a><a href="https://mauinuivenison.com/lp/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">Maui&nbsp;Nui Venison​</a>, delicious, nutrient-dense, and responsible red meat: <a href="https://mauinuivenison.com/lp/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mauinuivenison.com/lp/tim</a><a href="https://drinkag1.com/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">AG1</a>&nbsp;all-in-one nutritional supplement: <a href="https://drinkag1.com/tim" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://drinkag1.com/tim</a>Timestamps:00:00 Intro02:12 The hacker mindset33:05 Nuclear52:35 Autonomous ships58:48 Pragmatic optimism01:00:29 Risk tolerance01:04:50 Blue Origin01:11:59 Zero Effect philosophy01:34:43 China01:43:07 Taiwan01:45:04 AI01:50:42 Salsa02:08:44 Deep tech investing*For show notes and past guests on&nbsp;<a href="https://tim.blog/podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Tim Ferriss Show</a>, please visit&nbsp;<a href="https://tim.blog/podcast/?utm_source=podcast&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=podcast-description" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tim.blog/podcast</a>.For deals from sponsors of&nbsp;<a href="https://tim.blog/podcast" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">The Tim Ferriss Show</a>,&nbsp;please visit&nbsp;<a href="https://tim.blog/podcast-sponsors" rel="noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">tim.blog/podcast-sponsors</a>Sign up for Tim’s email 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