In this double-header episode of Bits + Bips, Steven Ehrlich first speaks with Figure CEO Mike Cagney about why most tokenization projects fail, how Figure built an onchain mortgage replacement, and why he believes big banks may now be leading blockchain innovation.
Then, Jason Brett joins the show to explain how an upcoming crypto market structure bill could expose President Trump’s World Liberty Financial as centralized, and why that matters for DeFi, regulation, and the industry’s credibility.
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<a href="https://x.com/Steven_Ehrlich">Steve Ehrlich</a>, Executive Editor at Unchained
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Guests:

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<a href="https://x.com/mcagney">Mike Cagney</a>, Co-founder and CEO of  Figure Technology Solutions
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<a href="https://x.com/RegulatoryJason">Jason Brett</a>, Former Banking Regulator With FDIC
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<a href="https://unchainedcrypto.com/coinbase-launches-stock-trading-and-prediction-markets/">Coinbase Launches Stock Trading and Prediction Markets</a>
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<a href="https://unchainedcrypto.com/jpmorgans-deposit-token-puts-stablecoins-on-notice/">How the GENIUS Act Creates a Built-In Advantage for Banks and Deposit Tokens</a>
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