In language-centric fields we privilege the speaker. Linguistics looks at spoken or signed utterances; linguistic anthropology does as well. But Michael Berman looks at listening, which for him is a process wherein you limit or shift your language practices so as to avoid being generated as a certain type of person (often within a hierarchical relationship). That’s listening. It&#39;s about avoiding (or not) taxonomy, stereotypes, perception, and it necessitates an understanding of the power that our ears have. This episode cannot be reduced to a few thematic elements: Michael and I discuss listening, semiotics, C.S. Peirce, suffering and compassion, critiques of linguistics and other sciences, the implicit economic models undergirding scholarship, and his fieldwork in Japan—among other things. I’m struck by how much ground we cover, and yet we make a limited number of rhetorical and analytic moves. Whether we’re talking about what constitutes listening, language ideology, religion, etc.—we’re always taking the minuscule and making it representative (or symptomatic) of something bigger. Maybe that’s a paranoid reading, but I think it’s useful in the context of our conversation. What appears as an individual assessment of language is in fact a societally-engineered and collectively-upheld assessment. What appears as a certain niche orientation to data turns out to be symptomatic of widespread abuses of scientific frameworks. And, as Michael will remind us, the creation of categories and production of knowledge has effects. So let’s pay attention. This episode took inspiration from the questions that<a href="https://open.spotify.com/episode/1TgXaogLfPhjuswH5M16WC?si=d0d16c4550b5495f" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer"> Jonathan Rosa</a> asked in his episode on Tomayto Tomahto a year ago. Before listening to Michael, I encourage listening to Jonathan’s episode if you haven’t already. <a href="https://www.michaelbermanphd.com/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Michael Berman</a><a href="https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/peirce/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">C.S. Peirce</a><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/a-raciolinguistic-perspective-with-jonathan-rosa/id1616430508?i=1000673052376" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Jonathan Rosa’s episode </a><a href="https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/jola.12436" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Toward a linguistic anthropological approach to listening: An ear with power and the policing of “active listening” volunteers in Japan</a><a href="https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/amet.12634" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Religion overcoming religions: Suffering, secularism, and the training of interfaith chaplains in Japan</a><a href="https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-forms-of-the-affects" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Forms of the Affects </a><a href="https://www.currentaffairs.org/news/2023/09/why-the-problem-isnt-single-parent-families" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">“Why The Problem Isn’t Single-Parent Families” </a><a href="https://freakonomics.com/podcast/why-is-there-so-much-fraud-in-academia-update/" target="_blank" rel="ugc noopener noreferrer">Why Is There So Much Fraud in Academia?</a>This episode was written, edited, and produced by Talia Sherman. All artwork by Maja Mishevska.

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