<a target="_blank" href="https://www.buzzsprout.com/twilio/text_messages/2109174/open_sms">Send us a text</a>The gap between how work is imagined and how work actually happens sits at the heart of our most persistent safety challenges. In this illuminating conversation with Professor Todd Conklin, we explore how Human and Organizational Performance (HOP) has evolved from its origins in high-consequence industries to become a powerful framework for understanding and improving safety across sectors. Conklin traces HOP's development as a response to the limitations of behavioral-based safety approaches, explaining why scared people don't take scary jobs and how high-risk environments require systems thinking rather than worker-focused interventions. The discussion reveals a fundamental shift: redefining safety not as the absence of harm but as a capacity organizations actively build. Perhaps most striking is the transformation in how we view workers' roles. "The worker is not the problem," Conklin emphasizes. "The worker is the problem solver." This perspective upends traditional safety management by recognizing that expertise exists at every level of an organization, and that workers constantly adapt to hold together imperfect systems. <a href='https://preaccidentpodcast.podbean.com/'>Pre-Accident Investigation Podcast</a><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/todd-conklin-64b8a8a/'>Todd Conklin on LinkedIn </a>NWO Intro with Boyd March 25, 2025 <a href='https://www.aglx.com/flow-lab/'>Flow Learning Lab</a> Find us on X. @NoWayOutcast <a href='https://thewhirl.substack.com/'>Substack: The Whirl of ReOrientation </a> Want to develop your organization’s capacity for free and independent action (Organic Success)? Learn more and follow us at: <a href='https://www.aglx.com/'>https://www.aglx.com/</a> <a href='https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsulting'>https://www.youtube.com/@AGLXConsulting</a> <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/'>https://www.linkedin.com/company/aglx-consulting-llc/</a> <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandrivera/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/briandrivera</a> <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/markjmcgrath1</a> <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccrone/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/stevemccrone</a> <a href='https://www.aglx.com/newsletter-signup-north-america'>Stay in the Loop.</a> Don't have time to listen to the podcast? Want to make some snowmobiles? Subscribe to our weekly newsletter to receive deeper insights on current and past episodes. Recent podcasts where you’ll also find Mark and Ponch: <a href='https://No-Bell.transistor.fm/s1/24'>The No Bell Podcast Episode 24</a> <a href='https://www.actanonverbapodcast.com/mark-mcgrath-on-the-ooda-loop-vuca-the-philosophy-of-john-boyd-and-bruce-lee/'>...</a>

Podurama

Home

Trending

Personal

Your Podcasts

New Episodes

My Files

Favourite Episodes

Tags (Folders)

Recently Played

Bookmarks

Followed Playlists

Reorienting Safety: Human and Organizational Performance (HOP) with Todd Conklin

No Way Out

AI Chapters

AI Insights

Reviews