<h2 id="bill-flynn-the-hero-trap">Bill Flynn: The Hero Trap</h2>
<p>Bill is CEO of Catalyst Growth Advisors and a member of Marshall Goldsmith’s 100 Coaches Agency, a global community of the world’s top executive coaches. His writing appears in <em>Harvard Business Review, Training Magazine,</em> and <em>ATD.</em> He is the author of <em>The Hero Trap: The Leader&#8217;s Shift from Doing to Designing</em> (<a href="https://amzn.to/4rZx1Ou">Amazon</a>, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/90226/9798890572479">Bookshop</a>).</p>
<p>As their teams get larger and their titles get bigger, a lot of leaders work longer and harder. If you think about that for a moment, that’s obviously not sustainable. In this conversation, Bill and I explore how leaders recognize – and get out of – the hero trap.</p>
<h3 id="key-points">Key Points</h3>
<ul>
<li>If you keep working harder as your team grows, you may be a victim of the hero trap.</li>
<li>Leaders fall into the hero trap because they care too much to let things break.</li>
<li>A key inflection point every leader hits: scale yourself or scale your systems.</li>
<li>Getting out of the hero trap is about shifting your identity.</li>
<li>Controllers solve problems. Builders show others how to solve problems. Architects design systems that solve problems.</li>
<li>Controllers thrive on recognition, urgency, and control. Builders find satisfaction in teaching. Architects find fulfillment in creating systems that outlast them.</li>
</ul>
<p>Get out of the hero trap through:</p>
<ul>
<li>The 10-minute prevention reflex. For new issues, ask, “What’s your first step?” and explain as you solve. For recurring issues, ask, “What would prevent this from happening again?”</li>
<li>The Netflix test. Test what happens when you take off an hour, a day, or an entire week. Notice what breaks and address the systems to prevent future problems.</li>
<li>The thinking partnership. Instead of a command and control mindset, invite others to think through problems with you.</li>
</ul>
<h3 id="resources-mentioned">Resources Mentioned</h3>
<ul>
<li><em>The Hero Trap: The Leader&#8217;s Shift from Doing to Designing</em> by Bill Flynn (<a href="https://amzn.to/4rZx1Ou">Amazon</a>, <a href="https://bookshop.org/a/90226/9798890572479">Bookshop</a>)*</li>
</ul>
<h3 id="interview-notes">Interview Notes</h3>
<p><a href="https://coachingforleaders.com/mp-files/bill-flynn-how-leaders-escape-the-hero-trap.pdf/">Download my interview notes</a> in PDF format (free membership required).</p>
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