Stan and Marshall talk about the frustrating "intermediate plateau" a stage where artists feel stuck. They explore causes like boredom, complacency, and unclear goals, and give advice on how to push through using feedback, mentorship, passion projects, and risk-taking.

SHOW LINKS (some contain affiliate links):
Animal Anatomy For Artists by Joe Weatherly (Foreword by Marshall Vandruff) - <a href="https://amzn.to/4f1Fquk">https://amzn.to/4f1Fquk</a> 
George Woodbridge (Mad Magazine Artist) - <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-mad-magazine-george-woodbridge-catch-22-issue.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-mad-magazine-george-woodbridge-catch-22-issue.jpg</a> 
Jack Davis (Mad Magazine Artist) - <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-mad-magazine-jack-davis-catch-22-issue.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-mad-magazine-jack-davis-catch-22-issue.jpg</a> 
23 Habits for Artists - Draftsmen S1E14 - <a href="https://youtu.be/WrKyzUMERKc?si=xAt2uqF3JawxIYAm">https://youtu.be/WrKyzUMERKc?si=xAt2uqF3JawxIYAm</a> 
Mastery by George Leonard - <a href="https://amzn.to/4o1zxBc">https://amzn.to/4o1zxBc</a> 
Marshall’s small artwork from his 30’s - <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-marshall-vandruff-drawing-small-caterpillar-framed-with-size-text.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-marshall-vandruff-drawing-small-caterpillar-framed-with-size-text.jpg</a> <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-marshall-vandruff-drawing-small-caterpillar-full-size.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-marshall-vandruff-drawing-small-caterpillar-full-size.jpg</a> 
Rembrandt (photo by Olivier Middendorp) - <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-stan-prokopenko-pikachu-wolverine.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-stan-prokopenko-pikachu-wolverine.jpg</a> 
Leonardo da Vinci - <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-leonardo-da-vinci-bear-sketch-framed.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-leonardo-da-vinci-bear-sketch-framed.jpg</a> <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-leonardo-da-vinci-bear-sketch-full.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-leonardo-da-vinci-bear-sketch-full.jpg</a> 
When by Daniel Pink - <a href="https://amzn.to/44HYjir">https://amzn.to/44HYjir</a> 
Masterclass (Ron Howard) - <a href="https://www.masterclass.com/classes/ron-howard-teaches-directing">https://www.masterclass.com/classes/ron-howard-teaches-directing</a> 
Masterclass (Mira Nair) - <a href="https://www.masterclass.com/classes/mira-nair-teaches-independent-filmmaking">https://www.masterclass.com/classes/mira-nair-teaches-independent-filmmaking</a> 
Masterclass (Martin Scorsese) - <a href="https://www.masterclass.com/classes/martin-scorsese-teaches-filmmaking">https://www.masterclass.com/classes/martin-scorsese-teaches-filmmaking</a> Masterclass (Margaret Atwood) - <a href="https://www.masterclass.com/classes/margaret-atwood-teaches-creative-writing">https://www.masterclass.com/classes/margaret-atwood-teaches-creative-writing</a> 
Creativity by Mihaly Csikszentmihaly - <a href="https://amzn.to/45elml4">https://amzn.to/45elml4</a> 
Think Like a Freak by Steven D. Levitt - <a href="https://amzn.to/3IDvElY">https://amzn.to/3IDvElY</a> Freakonomics by Steven D. Levitt - <a href="https://amzn.to/3Uq4YHS">https://amzn.to/3Uq4YHS</a> 
Kristian Nee’s youtube channel - <a href="https://www.youtube.com/@KristianNeeTV">https://www.youtube.com/@KristianNeeTV</a>
Kristians Podcast with Marshall - “What Every Artist Needs to Hear (But Nobody Says)” - <a href="https://youtu.be/ptXnRU-HGxQ?si=qSKU8po6gqpU1MgJ">https://youtu.be/ptXnRU-HGxQ?si=qSKU8po6gqpU1MgJ</a> 
Stan’s Anatomy Course - <a href="https://proko.com/anatomy">https://proko.com/anatomy</a> 
Anatomy Course Drawings (only on screen briefly for how much work went into them) - <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-stan-prokopenko-popeye-stan.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-stan-prokopenko-popeye-stan.jpg</a> 
Pinocchio (1940) - <a href="https://amzn.to/44RzdO0">https://amzn.to/44RzdO0</a> 
Frankenstein by Bernie Wrightson - <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-frankenstein-by-bernie-wrightson-illustration-1.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-frankenstein-by-bernie-wrightson-illustration-1.jpg</a> <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-frankenstein-by-bernie-wrightson-illustration-2.jpg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-frankenstein-by-bernie-wrightson-illustration-2.jpg</a> 
The Upside of Quitting - Freakonomics Radio - <a href="https://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-upside-of-quitting-3/">https://freakonomics.com/podcast/the-upside-of-quitting-3/</a> 
Cops TV Show (1989-present) - <a href="https://amzn.to/4mqyb1F">https://amzn.to/4mqyb1F</a> 
Sexy Beast (2000) - <a href="https://amzn.to/3UtbugY">https://amzn.to/3UtbugY</a> 
Kimon Nicolaïdes - <a href="https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-kimon-nicolaides-gesture-sketches.jpeg">https://img-resizer.proko.com/o/media/images/stan/dm-s4e8-lesson-notes-kimon-nicolaides-gesture-sketches.jpeg</a> 

Learn to Draw - <a href="http://www.proko.com">www.proko.com</a> 
Marshall Vandruff - <a href="http://www.marshallart.com">www.marshallart.com</a> 
Stan Prokopenko - <a href="http://instagram.com/stanprokopenko">instagram.com/stanprokopenko</a>
Kristian Nee - <a href="https://www.kristiannee.com/">https://www.kristiannee.com/</a> 
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