Recorded at All Things Open 2025, Robbie Wagner and guest co-host Jason Lengstorf chat with developer-turned-creator Shruti Kapoor about her leap from Slack and PayPal to YouTube, the joys and pitfalls of open source, and eternal web dev debates.
In this episode:
<ul>
<li>(00:00) - Intro</li>
<li>(01:37) - Wine rating & review: Fre Sparkling Brut</li>
<li>(06:33) - Hot Take: git rebase vs. git merge</li>
<li>(09:11) - Hot Take: Is HTML a programming language?</li>
<li>(09:41) - Hot Take: Is CSS a programming language?</li>
<li>(10:20) - Hot take: classes vs. functional components</li>
<li>(11:13) - Hot Take: Remix, TanStack, or Next.js?</li>
<li>(15:02) - Hot Take: console.log vs debugger</li>
<li>(16:11) - Hot Take: Were React server components a mistake?</li>
<li>(20:42) - How open source changed Shruti&rsquo;s career</li>
<li>(22:23) - The real value of contributing to open source</li>
<li>(26:05) - What is the React Foundation and why it matters</li>
<li>(28:58) - Highlights from React Conf and new features</li>
<li>(31:01) - From Slack engineer to independent creator</li>
<li>(34:34) - Choosing what content to make (and why)</li>
<li>(37:58) - Shruti&rsquo;s dog, discipline, and life lessons</li>
<li>(40:01) - What would Shruti do if not in tech?</li>
<li>(40:30) - Where to find Shruti online</li>
</ul>
Links
<ul>
<li>Fre Sparkling Brut:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.frewines.com/">https://www.frewines.com/</a></li>
<li>Wes Bos:&nbsp;<a href="https://wesbos.com/">https://wesbos.com/</a></li>
<li>Syntax:&nbsp;<a href="https://syntax.fm/">https://syntax.fm/</a></li>
<li>Slack:&nbsp;<a href="https://slack.com/">https://slack.com/</a></li>
<li>PayPal:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.paypal.com/">https://www.paypal.com/</a></li>
<li>YouTube:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/">https://www.youtube.com</a></li>
<li>React:&nbsp;<a href="https://react.dev/">https://react.dev/</a></li>
<li>JavaScript:&nbsp;<a href="https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript">https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript</a></li>
<li>HTML:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.w3schools.com/html/">https://www.w3schools.com/html/</a></li>
<li>CSS:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/">https://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/</a></li>
<li>Ember:&nbsp;<a href="https://emberjs.com/">https://emberjs.com/</a></li>
<li>TanStack:&nbsp;<a href="https://tanstack.com/">https://tanstack.com/</a></li>
<li>Next.js:&nbsp;<a href="https://nextjs.org/">https://nextjs.org/</a></li>
<li>Remix:&nbsp;<a href="https://remix.run/">https://remix.run/</a></li>
<li>Astro:&nbsp;<a href="https://astro.build/">https://astro.build/</a></li>
<li>VS Code:&nbsp;<a href="https://code.visualstudio.com/">https://code.visualstudio.com/</a></li>
<li>All Things Open:&nbsp;<a href="https://allthingsopen.org/">https://allthingsopen.org/</a></li>
<li>GitHub:&nbsp;<a href="https://github.com/">https://github.com/</a></li>
<li>React Conf:&nbsp;<a href="https://conf.react.dev/">https://conf.react.dev/</a></li>
<li>React Foundation:&nbsp;<a href="https://react.dev/blog/2025/10/07/introducing-the-react-foundation">https://react.dev/blog/2025/10/07/introducing-the-react-foundation</a></li>
<li>Linux Foundation:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.linuxfoundation.org/">https://www.linuxfoundation.org/</a></li>
<li>Vercel:&nbsp;<a href="https://vercel.com/">https://vercel.com/</a></li>
<li>Google Home:&nbsp;<a href="https://home.google.com/welcome/">https://home.google.com/welcome/</a></li>
<li>Primeagen:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/ThePrimeagen">https://x.com/ThePrimeagen</a></li>
<li>ChatGPT:&nbsp;<a href="https://chatgpt.com/">https://chatgpt.com/</a></li>
<li>MCP:&nbsp;<a href="https://modelcontextprotocol.io/">https://modelcontextprotocol.io/</a></li>
<li>Shruti's YouTube Channel:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/@shrutikapoor08">https://www.youtube.com/@shrutikapoor08</a></li>
<li>16 Common React useEffect Mistakes You&rsquo;re Making:&nbsp;<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGOPO2V6MHI">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGOPO2V6MHI</a></li>
</ul>
Connect with Jason
<ul>
<li>Website:&nbsp;<a href="https://jason.energy/">https://jason.energy/</a></li>
<li>X / Twitter:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/jlengstorf">https://x.com/jlengstorf</a></li>
<li>&nbsp;</li>
</ul>
Connect with Shruti
<ul>
<li>Website:&nbsp;<a href="https://shrutikapoor.dev/">https://shrutikapoor.dev/</a></li>
<li>X / Twitter:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/shrutikapoor08">https://x.com/shrutikapoor08</a></li>
</ul>
Connect with the hosts
<ul>
<li>Robbie Wagner:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner">https://x.com/RobbieTheWagner</a></li>
<li>Chuck Carpenter:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd">https://x.com/CharlesWthe3rd</a></li>
<li>Adam Argyle:&nbsp;<a href="https://x.com/argyleink">https://x.com/argyleink</a></li>
</ul>
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