President Trump has tested the limits of presidential power since he returned to office — from his assertion of total control over federal agencies to his war in Iran. But so far, many of Trump’s most aggressive moves have been stopped by the Supreme Court. 
My guest this week is Sarah Isgur, a conservative court watcher, who argues that the Supreme Court isn’t just a firewall against Donald Trump, but the real power center in American politics today.
<ul>
 <li>0:00 - Intro</li>
 <li>01:28 - Remaking the presidency: The hundred-year experiment</li>
 <li>04:26 - Trump’s legal retribution campaign</li>
 <li>09:15 - The Supreme Court’s strategy in the face of Trump</li>
 <li>18:15 - “Looming" cases: Tariffs and birthright citizenship</li>
 <li>28:23 - Supreme Court internal dynamics</li>
 <li>43:32 - The future bench</li>
</ul>
(A full transcript of this episode is available on the Times website.)
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