In this Conflicted Conversation, Thomas speaks with <a href="http://@gwupoe">Lorenzo Vidino</a>, Director of the Programme on Extremism at The George Washington University.
What happens when an ideological movement is neither a terrorist organisation nor an ordinary religious group — but something in between? One of the world’s leading experts on the Muslim Brotherhood explains…

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The early history of Islam in America
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The first Brotherhood-linked students arriving in the U.S. in the 50s and 60s
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The formation of the first American Brotherhood cells
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The Brotherhood’s gradual institutional influence across the 80s and 90s
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Why CAIR (the Council on American-Islamic Relations) is so controversial
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Germany’s three-fold classification system and what the U.S. can learn from it

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Follow Lorenzo on: <a href="http://@gwupoe">X</a>, <a href="http://@gwupoe.bsky.social">BlueSky</a>, <a href="http://linkedin.com/company/programonextremism">LinkedIn</a>, and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj9SxXNalSa8eyulvJmOcIA">YouTube</a>. 
Check out his books:
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<a href="https://amzn.eu/d/0zIBT1A">The New Muslim Brotherhood in the West</a> (Columbia University Press, 2010)
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<a href="https://amzn.eu/d/0n7FHat">The Closed Circle: Joining and Leaving the Muslim Brotherhood in the West</a> (Columbia University Press, 2020).

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