Angie Abdilla, Professor and the ANU School of Cybernetics, founder of Old Ways, New, and co-author of the Indigenous Protocols for Artificial Intelligence, joins Johanna for an exploration of Indigenous Knowledge and the lessons we can all draw from it. Angie and Johanna talk about the value of viewing technology, science, and engineering through a non-western worldview, Indigenous Knowledge systems and Deep Time technologies, Country Centred Design Practices, the Closing the Gap reforms and how they relate to Indigenous data sovereignty, and some of Angie’s recent projects around AI They explore the similarities between well managed AI and Indigenous Knowledge systems with their shared focus on trust, transparency, responsibility, and best practices. Read Out of the Black Box: Indigenous Protocols for AI: <a href="https://www.anat.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Out-of-the-Black-Box_Indigenous-protocols-for-AI.pdf">https://www.anat.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Out-of-the-Black-Box_Indigenous-protocols-for-AI.pdf</a> Find your nearest display of Meditation on Country: <a href="https://isea2024.isea-international.org/meditation-on-country/">https://isea2024.isea-international.org/meditation-on-country/</a> Old Ways, New: <a href="https://www.oldwaysnew.com/">https://www.oldwaysnew.com/</a> Tech Policy Design Centre: <a href="https://techpolicydesign.au/">https://techpolicydesign.au/</a>See <a href="https://omnystudio.com/listener">omnystudio.com/listener</a> for privacy information.

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