In this episode, Kim talks to Dr. Carmen Joy Imes about the women of Exodus. Dr. Imes brings her deep knowledge of Exodus to the average Christian audience, explaining how the structure and literary parallels of Exodus to show how the women are the rescuers of Moses, who then rescues the Hebrews. She provides the details of the midwives’ spiritual work of saving lives. She demonstrates how Pharaoh’s daughter displayed God’s character as she sees Moses’ misery, heard his cry, and took pity on him. She explains the Hebrew that illustrates how Miriam took a stand at the river to address Pharaoh’s daughter just as Moses later took a stand to address Pharaoh. And she explains how Zipporah literally saved Moses’ life as he decided which people group he belonged. Amidst these detailed portrayals of the Exodus women, Dr. Imes also points out the narrator’s use of humor to depict the bumbling and nameless Pharaoh. 
 
00:00 Introduction to Mutuality Matters 
00:02 Exploring the Role of Zipporah in Exodus 
01:04 Meet Dr. Carmen Joy IMEs 
02:06 The Mystery of Exodus 4:24-25 
03:26 Theological and Structural Significance of Zipporah 
14:33 The Role of Women in the Early Chapters of Exodus 
21:49 Elevating Women in Scripture 
22:00 A Word from CBE 
22:37 The Women of Exodus: Zipporah, Pua, and Shiphrah 
22:52 The Story of Moses' Birth and the Women Who Saved Him 
32:07 Moses' Identity and His Encounter with God 
39:37 Closing Thoughts and Resources 
41:20 Final Remarks and How to Stay Connected 
 
  
Guest Bio  
Dr. Carmen Joy Imes is associate professor of Old Testament at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University, in Southern California. She is the author of Bearing God's Name: Why Sinai Still Matters, Being God's Image: Why Creation Still Matters, and the forthcoming Becoming God's Family: Why the Church Still Matters. Carmen has a YouTube channel where she releases weekly Torah Tuesday videos and you can find her writing on various websites, including Christianity Today, The Well, and The Politics of Scripture blog. Carmen is passionate about equipping the church to engage the Old Testament well and to see its relevance for the Christian life. 
 
Find Dr. Carmen Imes at: 
 
X: @carmenjoyimes 
Bluesky: @carmenjoyimes.bsky.social 
YouTube – Torah Tuesday: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6bwfe08fufzGaY2YImWQK12Ye7VX15X2 
Resources Mentioned in the Interview: 
 
Becoming God's Family: Why the Church Still Matters 
Being God's Image: Why Creation Still Matters 
Bearing God's Name: Why Sinai Still Matters 
Every Woman’s Bible published by Tyndale 
 
Other CBE Resources: 
 
<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/defiant-what-women-exodus-teach-us-about-freedom/'>Defiant: What the Women of Exodus Teach Us About Freedom</a> by Kelley Nikondeha. 
“<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/editors-note-rational-and-emotional-faith/'>Rational and Emotional Faith</a>” by Megan Greulich in Mutuality 
“<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/whos-who/'>Who’s Who? Biblical Models of Women in Leadership</a>” by Gracy Ying May in Priscilla Papers 
“<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/black-blessed/'>Black is Blessed: A Study of Black/African Women and Men in Scripture</a>” by Catherine Clark Kroeger in Priscilla Papers 
“<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/defiant-what-women-exodus-teach-us-about-freedom-2/'>Defiant: What the Women of Exodus Teach us about Freedom</a>” by Mary Lou Wiley a Book Review on Defiant 
<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-in-scripture-and-mission-zipporah/'>Women in Scripture and Mission: Zipporah</a> by Kimberly Dickson 
<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-in-scripture-and-mission-miriam/'>Women in Scripture and Mission: Miriam</a> by Kimberly Dickson 
<a href='https://www.cbeinternational.org/resource/women-in-scripture-and-mission-puah-and-shiphrah/'>Women in Scritpure and History: Puah and Shiphrah</a> by Kimberly Dickson 
 
 
Disclaimer  
The opinions expressed in CBE’s Mutuality Matters’ podcast are those of its hosts or guests do not purport to reflect the opinions or views of CBE International or its members or chapters worldwide. The designations employed in this podcast and the presentation of content therein do not imply the expression of any opinion whatsoever on the part of CBE concerning the legal status of any country, area or territory or of its authorities, or concerning the delimitation of its frontiers.

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