Laura Shin has reported on crypto scams since the early days and wrote one of the first stories on sim swaps. That did not stop a spear-phishing attempt from getting her to download software and run a terminal command before she caught it.
Austin Campbell, Ram Ahluwalia, and Chris Perkins turn her near miss into a practical defense playbook, then debate whether self-custody still makes sense for anyone with a public crypto profile.

Hosts:
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<a href="https://x.com/austincampbell">Austin Campbel</a>l, Host of Bits + Bips, Founder of Zero Knowledge Group, and Adjunct Professor at NYU Stern
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<a href="https://x.com/ramahluwalia">Ram Ahluwalia</a>, Co-host of Bits + Bips and CEO of Lumida
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<a href="https://x.com/perkinscr97">Chris Perkins</a>, Co-host of Bits + Bips and Head of Franklin Crypto
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Guest:
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<a href="https://x.com/laurashin">Laura Shin</a> - Founder and Host of Unchained
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This clip is from a longer conversation on crypto security and social engineering. Full episode here: <a href="https://youtube.com/live/yKHaE6xMZsE">https://youtube.com/live/yKHaE6xMZsE</a> 
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Chapters:
🎣 00:00 The fake podcast invite that nearly caught Laura Shin
💻 00:26 How far it went: a download, then a terminal command
🛡️ 05:02 Austin's hard rules for when someone puts time pressure on you
🏦 06:36 Why Ram says ETFs now beat self-custody for public figures
🥷 07:39 Chris on getting hacked and losing his Snoop Dogg NFT
🤖 10:41 Why the same playbook is coming for banks via AI voice clones
🦅 11:33 Chris on letting the private sector recover stolen crypto Learn more about your ad choices. Visit <a href="https://megaphone.fm/adchoices">megaphone.fm/adchoices</a>

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