For the 20th anniversary of Freakonomics, Debbie Millman of Design Matters interviews Stephen Dubner about his upbringing, his writing career, and why it's important to “swing your swing.” Plus: a sneak peek at a new project. <ul><li>SOURCES:<ul><li><a href="https://debbiemillman.com/">Debbie Millman</a>, writer and host of Design Matters with Debbie Millman.</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>RESOURCES:<ul><li>"<a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/stephen-j-dubner/id328074695?i=1000726877218">Stephen J. Dubner</a>," by Design Matters with Debbie Millman (2025).</li><li><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Turbulent-Souls-Catholic-Return-Jewish/dp/B000HXDKAM">Turbulent Souls: A Catholic Son's Return To His Jewish Family</a>, by Stephen Dubner (1999).</li><li>"<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/1996/03/31/magazine/choosing-my-religion.html">Choosing My Religion</a>," by Stephen Dubner (New York Times, 1996).</li></ul></li></ul> <ul><li>EXTRAS:<ul><li>"<a href="https://freakonomics.com/podcast/in-search-of-the-real-adam-smith/">In Search of the Real Adam Smith</a>," by Freakonomics Radio (2022).</li></ul></li></ul> Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See <a href="https://pcm.adswizz.com">pcm.adswizz.com</a> for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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